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Old December 7th, 2005   GDL629 is offline   #81
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Old December 7th, 2005   Sk8maven is offline   #82
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I've been kind of hoping they'd touch on the fact that Jade has some of her mothers power in her to control plants, it was shown in one GL story when another professor tried to repeat the experiement that made Jade's mother a villian but like many other things has not been touched on yet.
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This is not strictly accurate - the "plant powers" thing was in a filler story in one of the GL 80-Page Giants or Secret Files& Origins. It was written by a fill-in and was NOT authorized by the "official" writer - who got it thoroughly stomped on as soon as he heard about it.

Frankly, any sort of "plant control" power should be absolutely incompatible with Jen's "power pulse". Guess what her vulnerability is: wood. Same as her dad.

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Old December 7th, 2005   Sk8maven is offline   #83
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By the way, it's now an absolute certainty: there *IS* a curse on Infinity Inc. See JSA #80.

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Old December 7th, 2005   istari42 is offline   #84
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I'll say it again..plant powers would be cool for us fanboys or fanterns, but it would only push her away from the modern lantern mythos, and back to the golden age, which would be bad. Myabe if they put her in the JSA it could work, but it would really work against her.
 
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Old December 7th, 2005   rex tyler is offline   #85
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I think Jade and Rick Tyler should hug each other. The rest of Infinity Inc aren't doing too good.
 
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Old December 8th, 2005   bgztl is offline   #86
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Jade and Hourman?

Always-the-party girl meets former life-of-the-party guy. . . .?

Hunh. Now why HASN'T that happened? Sounds like a good story or two could come out of that.
 
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Old December 14th, 2005   kalinara is offline   #87
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My biggest problem with Jade isn't that she's the weakest Lantern-type hero, but that we never really, as far as I've seen anyway, get to see her trying to improve herself. I mean in Kyle's case we've seen him practice with Alex, train with Donna, actively seek out other heroes to learn how to be more "heroic". We've even seen him spar with Alan, who seemed more than happy to help. If Alan would help Kyle, surely he'd be willing to do some practicing with Jade.

I honestly think even the smallest hint that Jade were trying to be something other than the weak, often damsel-in-distress that she's sometimes written as would go a long way toward letting me find her tolerable.
 
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Old December 14th, 2005   Sk8maven is offline   #88
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I honestly think even the smallest hint that Jade were trying to be something other than the weak, often damsel-in-distress that she's sometimes written as would go a long way toward letting me find her tolerable.
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Translation: she needs to be a character, not a plot device.

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Old December 14th, 2005   Argent is offline   #89
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Which means she needs to be moved into a solo book or JSA.
 
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Old December 14th, 2005   Danny Mullins is offline   #90
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Translation: she needs to be a character, not a plot device.

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Heh. Even in Outsiders, she's just a plot device. Being in the area when Grodd attacks, taking over for Nightwing when he's taken off team leader status, CFO, etc...
 
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Old December 14th, 2005   stumpjs is offline   #91
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Strange thing happened when i went to the comic store. I picked up Outsiders as it was an I.C. tie-in and I found myself totally rooting for Jade. It was because of this thread that I found myself actualy liking Jade more than the other Outsiders ( well except Nightwing and Starfire ). Before this thread I knew close to nothing about Jade and I hardly cared about her.
Not that this really adds to the arguement but I just wanted to mention it.
 
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Old December 14th, 2005   istari42 is offline   #92
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Strange thing happened when i went to the comic store. I picked up Outsiders as it was an I.C. tie-in and I found myself totally rooting for Jade. It was because of this thread that I found myself actualy liking Jade more than the other Outsiders ( well except Nightwing and Starfire ). Before this thread I knew close to nothing about Jade and I hardly cared about her.
Not that this really adds to the arguement but I just wanted to mention it.
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Old December 14th, 2005   Nightwing826 is offline   #93
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It's strange, I actually used to love her when I was a teenager. She had dark hair, and green skin, was dating a superhero, and was the daughter of another superhero. She seemed fun!

After a while of not reading Green Lantern, I read Homecoming? and I ended very angry at the writer. How dare he portray Jade like this! I grumbled, and mumbled, and shelved my thoughts about her well past Rebirth. Outsiders didn't impress me, and she didn't make many appearances otherwise, so she dropped off my RADAR.

Then, while I was reading the Return of Donna Troy mini-series I took a good long look at Jade and decided I didn't really like her that much, at all.

And it wasn't just the way Jiminez wrote her. I looked at my back issues with this character and realized I didn't really like the way Ron Marz wrote her. So, I reread my Judd Winnick issues, and focused on Jenny rather than Kyle. Call me underwhelmed, yet again.

And, while I have nowhere close to the entire run of Infinity Inc, in the issues I do have, she didn't seem the least bit interesting.

In fact, I realized, that I loathe her. I despise her. I would rather see Donna Troy than Jade in a comic book right now, and that's saying a lot. There are fundamental aspects of her concept that I find extremely distatseful, and, from a feminist's point of view, I can make a pretty good case for her death.

So, why bring my revulsion of this "character" to these peaceful Message Boards? Well, I have a very simple request:

I want you to make me like her again.

She's already shown up in Infinite Crisis, and appears likely to be prominently featured there and possibly in the Rann-Thanagar War tie-in special. If, by some freakish malfunction of the writer's logic, she survives -- she'll still be connected heavily to Green Lantern and JSA, two titles that I very much enjoy reading. I would hate for her presence to affect that.

So I figure, there has to be an intelligent Jade fan out there somewhere who can make a good case for her continued existence, and here is probably the best place to ask without it turning into a flame war.

And I'm not asking for "she's a strong woman" or "she's cute" or "she's caring" I need specific character traits supported by actions and words that are written into the DC canon. Why is she fun, why is she good-hearted?

And there is to be No Blaming of The Writer. Of course it's the writer's fault she did something cruel, or came up short in a fight, or said something unbelievably stupid. Without the writer, she would not exist. We're talking about fictional characters here, and what composes their personality is the entirely of what's written. Until such time as an action is retconned away, or revealed as under mind-control, it counts. So no saying "She was a great character until Raab..." Uh-uh. That's cheating. Blaming other characters, however, is acceptable. People do act differently around some people than others.

Specifically, I'm asking:

What does her presence add to the DCU?
What does her presence add to the Green Lantern canon?
What valuable personal qualities does she possess?
Would you be comfortable if your daughter looked up to her?

I understand, this is a tall order, and a long post (in fact, right after this I intend to outline why I dislike her so much, to help you in your arguments). This will not be easy, and I will understand completely if, come next week, I see this post moved to the very last page with 0 replies. She's a difficult one to defend. And I feel its only fair to warn you, I'm a Taurus. That means bullheaded, to you normal folks. I'm particularly resistant to this sort of thing, and a lot of arguments for her may be the same as my personal arguments against her. She may not be worth the headache. But, I'm nothing if not open-minded, or at least extremely fickle, so it could work.

Thank you, and good evening.
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I totally agree with you, I never expected her to cheat on Kyle. She did love him and could of waited. They did the same thing with Donna. Writers can be so stupid. Well I hope Donna eventually goes back to Kyle, they really loved one another.
 
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Old December 15th, 2005   Ragnell is offline   #94
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Amentep (sorry, busy this week -- I thought about your response and writing a long, longreply, but ti basically comes down to this. Part of the fun of comcis for me is the serialized entertainment that passes hands from writer to writer. Retroactive Continuity is a joy for me. Yes, we argue about facts that didn't exist when the story in question was written, but that's retconning -- fitting them together. Blaming the Writer for anything just takes some of the fun out of it. A character becomes much more itnriguing to me when you can fit all of the aspects together, and I can see how Jade would have grown naturally as a women, taking all of the aspects into account, makign all of those mistakes one after the other. Some of them fit surprisingly well.

And just because a writer doesn't see the character the way you do does not mean they ignored the previous writer completely. I know at least one online blogger who saw Jade as selfish and weak and spoiled from her Infinity Inc days which is a totally differen description from a lot of yours. Characters in stories mirror us and our acquaintances. Not everyone sees them the same way.

stumpjs -- That was kind of the point of this thread. I find her a lot less hatable now, myself. I think I've settled into the character progression I've outlined, because it leaves room for a change of attitude, should she get shunted to JSA or get a solo special.

Nightwing -- Donna didn't chea.t She up and left him, but ended it before she began with Roy. Personally, I always saw the two as friends, who inadvertantly ended up with benefits. They weren't "in love" but they were both lonely and the rebound so they went farther than they otherwise would have. I wouldn't be adverse to them getting together right after IC for another rebound fling (Jade shattered Kyle's heart but good, and Donna's just had another failed marriage), or maybe even seeing Donna come to Oa for a booty call, but I don't like Donna as Kyle's permanent girlfriend. Kyle needs a lover custom-made for him (Another Alex), not a teambook character shoehorned into the role. That and, well, I don't like Donna very much either.

I don't like either of them as Kyle's girlfriends. They seem too much like rebound girls, like Kyle is still pining for Alex so he's going after women who superficially remind him of her (3 firkin' photographers), but who will survive (ones he figures can take care of themselves) and falling head over heels for them, fitting them into a relationship like the one who had with Alex (substitute mother/mentor-teacher/motivator) -- which is ultimately what did him and Jade in. She seemed perfect, having the experience in his exact powers, she was superficially like Alex, an outgoing photographer with a dominant personality, but ultimately he was the better and more-skilled hero, even though he wanted her to be because that's the sort of relationship he seeks out (You'd think he'd just be more protective, but Kyle's used to being the weaker member of the relationship -- he wanted someone who could have fought off Major Force). After a while, she realized her submissive boyfriend was actually the one with all the power in the relationship, and she had fallen farther into the "taker" than she was used to. He put more pressure on her than she could stand. So, she rebelled with a sleazy blond.

Admittedly, much as I dislike her, Donna was better suited to this role, but again, too much rebound. Too much pattern.

Kyle needs to break this cycle. He needs to get away from the fashion-plate photographer as mentor/mother, he needs to seek an equal, not a leader. Maybe go for a different archetype, someone without the surface similarities.

Funny how Alex, the throwaway tragedy character, turned out to be a girlfriend no one else could live up to.
 
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Old December 17th, 2005   Amentep is offline   #95
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^I understand not everyone sees things the same way; in the end I can only argue how I see things - and in the end its probably a case we'll have to agree to disagree on it. I see a lot of the later retroactive continuity to be tantamount to fitting a square peg into a round whole; you see it as a growing tapestry, so we're really starting in different places anyhow. But its always interesting to discuss how we all see these things, I think.
 
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Old December 18th, 2005   raw power72 is offline   #96
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I'm hoping she gets killed off. She is a lame character never found an interest for her as a GL character
 
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