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Old June 14th, 2013   Scott Mateo is offline   #17
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I just saw it and don't know where to start...I mean the effects are good, but it just didn't feel "heroic."
 
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I loved it. If you went in with expectations that it was going to be YOUR ideal of Superman or some Donner rehash, you really were setting yourself up for disappointment. In the end he made a tough choice, one that he has to live with.

My only complaint is Lois Lane, Amy Adams was horribly cast.
 
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Mark Waid's review
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Waid has an invalid complaint because he's complaining that superman in the man of steel movie doesn't act and think like an experienced superman from the comics.

I know he's a huge fan and a great writer but he's blinded by his own fanboy goggles.

this is Superman's origin, not just the beginning the whole movie. he's still learning how to be Superman, how to fight a super villain and how to save lives, how to deal with a situation he's never dealt with and how to act like superman to which in the context of this movie took days. He hadn't even figured out how to fly until Jor-El told him to push his powers.

If in the second movie he still doesn't save lives then yeah it's a mistake, but in the context of what's happening it makes sense. He's trying but it's his first ****ing day as Superman. He doesn't know better and until now he never even punched a guy, but had to take down a platoon of trained soldiers, with his abilities.
 
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Old June 14th, 2013   Eric Q is offline   #20
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When a character who has been a symbol of all that is good and an embodiment of our aspirations has to be portrayed that way in order to make him "kewl" in the eyes of our lame-ass pop culture trend-mongers and the trend-junkie-whores who eagerly line up to suckle whatever manufactured, lifeless garbage they spew from their rotting, puss-filled teets, I mourn not only for the death-rattle of our innocence, but for the indifferent, almost gleeful way we cast it aside and gorge on our own darkest impulses.

Last nail in the coffin for an American fictional icon. He will live on, but from the sound of it the groundwork has been laid. It's official. Superman is not Superman anymore outside of the dusty back issue bins of fading comic shops. And judging from the multiple cluster-orgasms it seems to be causing amongst most critics and movie-goers, it will be a huge success, every dollar earned another grain of sand shoveled atop the casket of the character we have known. The Superman I knew and loved will not be seen again for a long, long time, if ever, outside of the occasional "retro" comic book story. This film's success will only validate the cynically-calculated and test-marketed version of Superman we have now as the "official" take on the character:

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Not Clark Kent; the jaded alien Kal-El. Not the adopted son of Johnathan and Martha Kent; the son of Jor-El. Not a hero who never takes the easy way out, who never compromises the ideals and principles that guide him; a hero who will kill rather than dig deep and find another way. Not a protector of humanity and a guardian of human life; a violent brawler who views collateral damage not as unacceptable, but rather as an unfortunate side effect of the exercise of his vast powers.



If they wanted to do this, why not just make it a SUPREME movie?

I really wanted to take my son to see this, just like my dad did to see Superman:The Movie when I was my son's age and my dad was the age I am today. I don't think I can. To all involved in crafting this movie, **** YOU.
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I don't like Superman killing, Action Comics #775 being my favorite because of it, I'm fine with it in the film. I can understand if you don't like that they did it or the way they handle it in the film. But imo, it wasn't done to make Supermaan "kewl" it was done to show despite the powers and guidance by his upbringing, he can't do everything he would want. There is no guidebook or practice for an alien invasion.

Zod was getting better at using his powers and his nature gave him an advantage over the inexperienced Clark. Clark couldn't reign Zod in, he managed to get hold him down but that was a struggle. Zod was going to use his heat vision to burn a family to hurt Clark so that left him with a choice, let the family burn or stop him? Why not fly him away and try to knock him out? Sure but it wouldn't guarantee that it could work, I mean, Zod gave Superman the slip at one point. What havoc could he have unleashed to anybody nearby him.

 
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and for those so upset with the ending...I'll just leave this here.

 
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I'm fine.
This is not not 1938. Superman was, by modern standards, a fascist and a bully in those proto-Superman tales.
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SUPERMAN IS A MURDERER.

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I'm not sure why the early Superman stories are now "proto-Superman tales".

Until they were rebooted or retconned away they were Superman.
 
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I'm not sure why the early Superman stories are now "proto-Superman tales".

Until they were rebooted or retconned away they were Superman.
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Because "not mah Superman".
 
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Waid has an invalid complaint because he's complaining that superman in the man of steel movie doesn't act and think like an experienced superman from the comics.

I know he's a huge fan and a great writer but he's blinded by his own fanboy goggles.

this is Superman's origin, not just the beginning the whole movie. he's still learning how to be Superman, how to fight a super villain and how to save lives, how to deal with a situation he's never dealt with and how to act like superman to which in the context of this movie took days. He hadn't even figured out how to fly until Jor-El told him to push his powers.

If in the second movie he still doesn't save lives then yeah it's a mistake, but in the context of what's happening it makes sense. He's trying but it's his first ****ing day as Superman. He doesn't know better and until now he never even punched a guy, but had to take down a platoon of trained soldiers, with his abilities.
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Oh definitely agree, if by the second film, they're doing this again, then I will probably sharing space on Mr. W's soapbox.
 
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Oh definitely agree, if by the second film, they're doing this again, then I will probably sharing space on Mr. W's soapbox.
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Same here. For now, it makes sense to me. Context is everything.
 
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I'm not sure why the early Superman stories are now "proto-Superman tales".

Until they were rebooted or retconned away they were Superman.
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There was no such thing as "canon" at that point. Superman did not sit back 7 issues later and think, "hmmm, maybe it was wrong for me to brutalize a woman to coerce her to submit to my will". It was simply a story that had no intention of being anything other than a self-contained story about a character whose identity had yet to be expanded to anything other than "tough guy who takes no crap".

Because "not mah Superman".
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Thank you for dismissing my opinions as nerd-rage. You might have a point if I was bitching about the ugly costume or other minor details. I was willing to get past all of that if the heart of the character was intact. Exactly as Waid stated, he was willing to forgive a lot of that kind of thing going into the film, as was I. But that moment... That's a hell of a lot more relevant than "not mah Superman".
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Maybe your Superman IS a MURDERER. If so, BRAVO, you win.

Enjoy your lowest-common-denominator entertainment.

You might want to spoiler box the cover from that issue of Byrne's Superman, by the way.
 
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Old June 14th, 2013   superfriend is offline   #27
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i'm not incensed. i went in with eyes wide open. gotta confess, i got a little bored. it's true, there's something unearned about the whole thing. it hit the proper beats for the superhero formula but the disaster porn took me out of it and the backdrop being human bloodshed just didn't help me get into the video game fightfests.

oh yeah, and they kinda missed the whole point of Superman.

i think i like Superman as an idea now. the past is the past so it's not like i want to go back to something. but i can't say i think anybody's getting it right these days.

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The collateral damage bothered me, mostly because it didn't seem to bother him.

 
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There was no such thing as "canon" at that point. Superman did not sit back 7 issues later and think, "hmmm, maybe it was wrong for me to brutalize a woman to coerce her to submit to my will". It was simply a story that had no intention of being anything other than a self-contained story about a character whose identity had yet to be expanded to anything other than "tough guy who takes no crap".



Thank you for dismissing my opinions as nerd-rage. You might have a point if I was bitching about the ugly costume or other minor details. I was willing to get past all of that if the heart of the character was intact. Exactly as Waid stated, he was willing to forgive a lot of that kind of thing going into the film, as was I. But that moment... That's a hell of a lot more relevant than "not mah Superman".
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Maybe your Superman IS a MURDERER. If so, BRAVO, you win.

Enjoy your lowest-common-denominator entertainment.

You might want to spoiler box the cover from that issue of Byrne's Superman, by the way.
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You are taking this WAY too personally. Calm down.

Bryne's run PROOVES you wrong. If you choose to ignore that because it doesn't go along with your ideal of the character, go ahead. That's on you. And my Superman is Superman, he's had many interpretations, some good and some bad. Yet in the end not one of them has more merit than the next. From the Golden Age to Now, each Superman has had something to offer regardless of what I liked and didn't.
 
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The collateral damage bothered me, mostly because it didn't seem to bother him.

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agree. i even No-Prized it too, thought...he's just starting out. he's young, and new.

but then it just kept on going and he never flinched at it. when the subject is to care or not to care about the human race and this is how he shows it? with friends like those yada yada yada.

kinda made me start seeing Superman as a WMD--and i kinda hate the whole superhero-as-WMD idea.
 
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Enjoy your lowest-common-denominator entertainment.
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Also, thanks for insulting anyone who enjoyed the movie. I guess liking this makes us idiots. Oh joy.
 
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Maybe your Superman IS a MURDERER. If so, BRAVO, you win.

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If a SWAT sniper has a guy in the crosshairs who has an assault rifle aimed a group of people and is poised to start shooting them, is the sniper a murderer for taking the shot?



Again I reserve the right to say it doesn't work in the film as presented (which I still have yet to see) but on paper I'm not sure I can agree with the reaction (but I perfectly understand if the portrayal doesn't work for you; I haven't really liked a non-comics portrayal of Superman since the Reeves series...)
 
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