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Old August 1st, 2011   jafabian is offline   #1281
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How come there has been no response from Johns on the debacle that is/was the Green Lantern film. In this day and age and especielly after Marvel's hits did this happen? Who wrote this thing? As CCO what were Geoff's input and responsibility to this film? Why no response to it? Did you actually see a cut of the film when you compared it to Star Wars? Do you still think DC 's characters are bigger than Marvels as you mentioned in a interview? Bottom line GL is a great character and to see him treated that way was disapointing. The fact that Johns hyped like he did is severly disapointing. I understand towing the corprate line but what about integrity? As Tarintino said, " The less a man is inclined to make declarative statement, the less he is likely to look foolish in retrospect" Vented , Now I feel better.
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Why are your expecting a direct response from him? He isn't personally responsible for the movie.

You want to know who wrote the movie? I believe that's in the credits.

Why was he hyping it? What were you expecting him to do? It's his job.

Why do you keep comparing the movie to Star Wars? The two are in no way related to one another.

You have huge issues with Geoff for some reason. I don't understand why but know this: if you're expecting an answer from him you won't get it. First off, he's an infrequent visitor here due to his schedule. Second, making demands and ultimatums will get you nowhere. Try being a little more humble in your discussions and maybe someone will be willing to talk and debate with you but your current state won't get you anything and people here won't respect what you say.
 
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Old August 1st, 2011   jlaxmn is offline   #1282
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What are these "qualities" you're finding in Marvel movie's?

In my opinion Watchmen was far better than any Marvel movie to date and Green Lantern was just as good as any Marvel movie to date.

Just my opinion though.
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Character depth, solid editing , pacing and a decent script. Thats what I found in Iron Man , Thor , Cap. Unfortunately I found that lacking in GL.

I also LOVED WATCHMEN Better than the Marvel films? Debatable, but just might be. I truly think WATCHMEN was under appreciated. It is also the truest to its source materiel. Which is why I feel good about the next Superman film.
 
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Old August 1st, 2011   jlaxmn is offline   #1283
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If the quality of the Marvel movies are any indication, in general they seem to get better directors and presumably writers to work on their films (Nolan is an exception of course, and Ang Lee should have done better on the Hulk). Why can't Warner Brothers get people like that?
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Martin Campel is a decent director. He did the Zorro films which weren't bad and Casino Royale. Maybe he wasn't a good fit with the material or maybe he had the film taken away from him or maybe he did the best he could with what he had to work with.
 
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Why are your expecting a direct response from him? He isn't personally responsible for the movie.

You want to know who wrote the movie? I believe that's in the credits.

Why was he hyping it? What were you expecting him to do? It's his job.

Why do you keep comparing the movie to Star Wars? The two are in no way related to one another.

You have huge issues with Geoff for some reason. I don't understand why but know this: if you're expecting an answer from him you won't get it. First off, he's an infrequent visitor here due to his schedule. Second, making demands and ultimatums will get you nowhere. Try being a little more humble in your discussions and maybe someone will be willing to talk and debate with you but your current state won't get you anything and people here won't respect what you say.
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I am not looking for a personal response from Johns. Any thing from DC or Warner in regards to the film being a disapointment would suffice in a form of a press release. Besides its more of a vent than anything else.

The Star Wars comparrison was made by GEOFF JOHNS himself.

I know he is supporting his company but where is the line between towing the company line and honesty with the consumers of a product. I remember Bendis and a few others at a Cup O Joe where they openly apologized for misteps fans feel were made in there handling of some things.

He isn't responsible for the movie? Maybe but he is the CCO of DCE. So if the buck doesn't stop there then where? Diane Nelson?

I am not making ultimatums or demands. Again just venting.

I think I will look up who wrote GL. See if its true that they had 5 to 6 screen writers involved. Well that is the rumor at any rate.
 
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Old August 1st, 2011   jlaxmn is offline   #1285
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Character depth, solid editing , pacing and a decent script. Thats what I found in Iron Man , Thor , Cap. Unfortunately I found that lacking in GL.

I also LOVED WATCHMEN Better than the Marvel films? Debatable, but just might be. I truly think WATCHMEN was under appreciated. It is also the truest to its source materiel. Which is why I feel good about the next Superman film.
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I also found that in Nolans Batman films and Donners Superman films.
 
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Old August 1st, 2011   jlaxmn is offline   #1286
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I am not looking for a personal response from Johns. Any thing from DC or Warner in regards to the film being a disapointment would suffice in a form of a press release. Besides its more of a vent than anything else.

The Star Wars comparrison was made by GEOFF JOHNS himself.

I know he is supporting his company but where is the line between towing the company line and honesty with the consumers of a product. I remember Bendis and a few others at a Cup O Joe where they openly apologized for misteps fans feel were made in there handling of some things.

He isn't responsible for the movie? Maybe but he is the CCO of DCE. So if the buck doesn't stop there then where? Diane Nelson?

I am not making ultimatums or demands. Again just venting.

I think I will look up who wrote GL. See if its true that they had 5 to 6 screen writers involved. Well that is the rumor at any rate.
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Yeah 4 writers in total. Johns had a credit as co producer.
 
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Old August 1st, 2011   Terry Sloane is offline   #1287
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they don't have a generic studio wig going 'nah, we need a hot-wheels promo in here somewhere, kids like hot wheels.'

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Warner Bros. Wants ‘Edgier And Darker’ Green Lantern Sequel

“We had a decent opening so we learned there is an audience,” he tells the Los Angeles Times. “To go forward we need to make it a little edgier and darker with more emphasis on action. … And we have to find a way to balance the time the movie spends in space versus on Earth.”
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Old August 2nd, 2011   jafabian is offline   #1289
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A lot of movie sequels go in that direction. The trick is putting it all together properly. It has to fit with the direction the original film set.

Do they go directly into the fall of Sinestro or will that be a subplot to a bigger story and not go into the forefront until the (hopefully) third film?
 
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Given the after credits, probably sequel material for that... I can't imagine sitting through a whole film where Sinestro sits around pondering using the power he now has at his fingertips. I can't, at least. I'm pro-dark and edgier second Lantern film. I enjoyed the light tone of the first, but a light contrasts well with dark.
 
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I'll believe that a Green Lantern sequel will happen when it actually starts filming. We were going to a see a follow up to Superman Returns where Bryan Singer would go "all Wrath of Kahn" on it, and that never materialized.

I don't know that darker or edgier are solutions to the problem of the film. It needed a good script. It needed a good director. Yes, I know that Campbell is a respected director, but he clearly didn't have what was needed for this particular film.

And it didn't need to be all fanboyish. Kilowog and Tomar Re were totally unnecessary. Their parts could have been done by Sinestro to further develop that character and give Mark Strong more opportunity to act. Okay, I guess they were hoping for action figures, but they still didn't need to be there.
 
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Old August 3rd, 2011   jlaxmn is offline   #1292
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How come there has been no response from Johns on the debacle that is/was the Green Lantern film. In this day and age and especielly after Marvel's hits did this happen? Who wrote this thing? As CCO what were Geoff's input and responsibility to this film? Why no response to it? Did you actually see a cut of the film when you compared it to Star Wars? Do you still think DC 's characters are bigger than Marvels as you mentioned in a interview? Bottom line GL is a great character and to see him treated that way was disapointing. The fact that Johns hyped this movie like he did is severly disapointing. I understand towing the corprate line but what about integrity? As Tarentino said, " The less a man is inclined to make declarative statement, the less he is likely to look foolish in retrospect" Vented , Now I feel better.
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Upon refection this post was very out of line. To lay blame entirely in Johns is not fair. For all I know it was his input that saved the film from total failure. Filmaking is a collabrative effort. Writing , casting , direction etc. Maybe I was just in a foul mood. Maybe my love for Green Lantern and wanting it to be the on par with Donner's Superman made me angrier at the film. I have to admit there were things in the film that worked. Unfortunately there was more that didn't and the film as a whole isn't very cohesive. I would like to have a chamce to veiw the film again with lowered expectations and a more open mind , unfortunately its gone from theatres.
 
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Upon refection this post was very out of line. To lay blame entirely in Johns is not fair. For all I know it was his input that saved the film from total failure. Filmaking is a collabrative effort. Writing , casting , direction etc. Maybe I was just in a foul mood. Maybe my love for Green Lantern and wanting it to be the on par with Donner's Superman made me angrier at the film. I have to admit there were things in the film that worked. Unfortunately there was more that didn't and the film as a whole isn't very cohesive. I would like to have a chamce to veiw the film again with lowered expectations and a more open mind , unfortunately its gone from theatres.
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I don't think you said anything particularly unfair. It's unclear what Geoff's role in the movie was exactly, but the blame for failure can clearly be spread around. I'm very disappointed that at Comic-Con he didn't even address it. If he did, it might reassure us that there's been a lesson learned.

All that said, the failure of any film ultimately falls with a director. He's the true author of the film. If he gets a bad script, then it's his job to get it fixed. If he finds comments from the comic book buy unhelpful, he ignores them. Perhaps Campbell was a passive director in that sense, or maybe he was out of his depth. Or maybe Geoff really did end up doing more harm than good, or maybe Geoff's role was non-existent. We really don't know.

Still wish it had been a good movie.
 
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Old August 4th, 2011   jlaxmn is offline   #1294
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I don't think you said anything particularly unfair. It's unclear what Geoff's role in the movie was exactly, but the blame for failure can clearly be spread around. I'm very disappointed that at Comic-Con he didn't even address it. If he did, it might reassure us that there's been a lesson learned.

All that said, the failure of any film ultimately falls with a director. He's the true author of the film. If he gets a bad script, then it's his job to get it fixed. If he finds comments from the comic book buy unhelpful, he ignores them. Perhaps Campbell was a passive director in that sense, or maybe he was out of his depth. Or maybe Geoff really did end up doing more harm than good, or maybe Geoff's role was non-existent. We really don't know.

Still wish it had been a good movie.
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Well the formula sounded good. Johns knows and cares about the materiel. Campell did Zorro and hit with Casino Royale so how things went wrong is anyone's guess. I also wish it had been a good movie. The only DC films that are or rather we know are going to see the light of day right now are Dark Knight Rises and Superman Man Of Steel. I have to wonder though about Flash and Wonder Woman and JLA. The cynical side of me thinks it will be a long time before we see anything from them as far as films are concerned.
 
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I'll believe that a Green Lantern sequel will happen when it actually starts filming. We were going to a see a follow up to Superman Returns where Bryan Singer would go "all Wrath of Kahn" on it, and that never materialized.

I don't know that darker or edgier are solutions to the problem of the film. It needed a good script. It needed a good director. Yes, I know that Campbell is a respected director, but he clearly didn't have what was needed for this particular film.

And it didn't need to be all fanboyish. Kilowog and Tomar Re were totally unnecessary. Their parts could have been done by Sinestro to further develop that character and give Mark Strong more opportunity to act. Okay, I guess they were hoping for action figures, but they still didn't need to be there.
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I dont doubt a sequel at all...with no origin to tell it wont be anchored with overdone need for storytelling. They can go right into the action and go from there.

And dark and edgy is not a bad thing...as long as light wins in the end
 
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