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Old November 11th, 2005   new x-man is offline   #1
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Default Best hand to hand combatants of either universe

Who can list all the hand to hand fighters in both DCU and MU. included are metahumans and cosmic entities that focus on hand to hand.

DCU: Karate Kid,Conner Hawke,Oliver Queen,Lady Shiva,Batman,Nightwing,Robin,WonderWoman,Richard Dragon,Batgirl,Deathstroke.

MU:Elecktra,Iron Fist,Temugin,Daredevil,Captain America,TaskMaster,Wolverine,Stick,Mantis,Gamora,G orgon,karnak,Mr.X,Ogun,Champion,Omega Red,Deadpool.
 
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Old November 11th, 2005   ConnorFan is offline   #2
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OJ Queen?? I dont think so, he is an insanely gifted archer to be sure but isnt he more of a slugger when it comes to h2h?

DC add Black Canary, Huntress, Wildcat, Bronze Tiger, Drakon, Artimis
 
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Old November 11th, 2005   Stheno is offline   #3
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Elektra doesn't rate hand-to-hand, IMO. She got owned by Bullseye, for crying out loud, and he's primarily a ranged combatant. Granted, he's fought Daredevil several times, but still...she got OWNED.

Taskmaster, Cassandra Cain, Shang Chi, and Deathstroke are probably the top overall hand-to-hand combatants in the two universes. Special mention goes to Captain America, Daredevil, and Batman.
 
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Old November 11th, 2005   Jeffrey Neary is offline   #4
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If someone got owned in the past..that doesn't mean they haven't improved since then.

Bullseye was early on in her career.
 
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Old November 11th, 2005   new x-man is offline   #5
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Elektra doesn't rate hand-to-hand, IMO. She got owned by Bullseye, for crying out loud, and he's primarily a ranged combatant. Granted, he's fought Daredevil several times, but still...she got OWNED.

Taskmaster, Cassandra Cain, Shang Chi, and Deathstroke are probably the top overall hand-to-hand combatants in the two universes. Special mention goes to Captain America, Daredevil, and Batman.
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You see Elecktra lately? She stopped wolverine in his tracks by attacking his nerve centers not counting she is a bullet timer.
 
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Old November 11th, 2005   Hudson Hawkman is offline   #6
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OJ Queen?? I dont think so, he is an insanely gifted archer to be sure but isnt he more of a slugger when it comes to h2h?

DC add Black Canary, Huntress, Wildcat, Bronze Tiger, Drakon, Artimis
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Yeah I didn't think GA was in the top fighters. What about Prometheus? He was good before he was downgraded to Hush's lackey in Gotham Knights and he beat the 15 member JLA single handedly. I'd argue that Katana would be a good choice on the DC side of the lists also.

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Old November 11th, 2005   Lazy Gun is offline   #7
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Is it just me or do loads of comic heroes solve their fighting problems with kung-fu these days?
 
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Old November 11th, 2005   Stheno is offline   #8
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Meh, I'm just not an Elektra fan. I'm holding out hope that one day the Black Widow will punch her ticket. Wishful thinking, I'm sure.

Even so, I can think of about a dozen people better than Elektra. Taking down Wolverine is hardly an accomplishment these days...everyone has beaten him, from Spiderman to Daredevil to X-23.
 
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Capt. America took down the Hulk ... 'nuff said.
 
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No way! Mayor McCheese owned his a$$ back in McDonalds' Finest #7.
 
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Old November 11th, 2005   jafabian is offline   #12
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Elektra is a whole 'nother lady since when Bullseye took her down. She was dirty then. Not anymore.

Prometheus needs to be here. So does Cheshire and Omnipodeia. (I hope I spelled that right)

On the Marvel side we need Moon Knight, Black Panther and Puck.
 
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Elektra is a whole 'nother lady since when Bullseye took her down. She was dirty then. Not anymore.

Prometheus needs to be here. So does Cheshire and Omnipodeia. (I hope I spelled that right)

On the Marvel side we need Moon Knight, Black Panther and Puck.
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Prometheus downloaded his skills through his helmet. Without it, I don't think he's up to snuff. As for Onomatopeia, I don't think we saw him use martials arts, did we? All I remember is him sporting a pistol and that's it.
 
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Elektra is a whole 'nother lady since when Bullseye took her down. She was dirty then. Not anymore.

Prometheus needs to be here. So does Cheshire and Omnipodeia. (I hope I spelled that right)

On the Marvel side we need Moon Knight, Black Panther and Puck.
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Old November 11th, 2005   new x-man is offline   #16
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I said hand to hand combatants regardless of powerlevel.......hence why I didn't include bullseye because for all his talent it is mainly about throwing things.MoonKnight is just a brawler as is Punisher. They don't have enough technique to be considered true hand to hand.
 
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