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Old November 4th, 2011   BART ALLEN is offline   #1
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After reading Red hood and Catwoman, I think it is time to bring back the comics code. When I was a kid my parents never thought twice about me picking up a main stream dc book, SUperman is fine. Nowadays parents can not do that.

DO i thnk everything should be kid-safe, no but the main stream superman batman and wonder woman, should be. and any book featuring a character who was recently on a cartoon like teen titans should be safe for all ages

or amybe i am just a prude
 
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they are not rated all ages, they are rated T+.

if you want an all ages book, buy an all ages book.
 
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Old November 4th, 2011   darthlucifuge is offline   #3
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Dear god please no!

It would be better to implement a better rating system, (which they sort of already doing) but the comics code is best left as a memory of the past. Censorship is pure evil in all it's forms. It's stifles creativity and tells us what should be okay. As for parents, they should be responsible enough to read through what they buy their child.

and shouldn't this thread be moved to general?
 
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Oddly enough, the restrictions of the Comics Code forced writers to come up with some pretty creative ways of depicting certain content.

Really, the code would be no different than the ratings system everyone is clamoring for, except it would be easier for parents. Is it code approved? Yes? I'll buy it for little Johnny. If not, I'll have to look through it or (more likely) just say no.

The code wasn't terribly restrictive in the last years of its existence, anyway. Lots of fairly dark, violent, sexually charged stories were published with code approval. The writers just had to find a more inventive way of telling the story.

That's not to say I want to see it brought back, but I think it would be a much easier way for parents to decide on whether or not to pick up a book than a ratings system, if we have to treat comics differently from all other forms of printed literature.

And I think a new "code" doesn't have to be simply the return of the old one. A more sensible, modern code could be implemented.

But a comics code is no more censorship than a ratings system, as long as both are voluntary on the publisher's part. It's a market issue if certain stores decided not to carry non-code comics, not an issue of censorship.
 
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Absolutely not. It spawned from something horrible and degenerate, aka the Wertham fiasco. It was, by all accounts, erratically and unevenly applied. We've got the Red Lanterns vomiting acid blood on their victims and the Joker leaving his actual face on a wall, but what gets people going is Catwoman and Batman having sex? I'll pass on the haphazard, meaningless censorship, thanks.
 
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Moving this thread from the DC forum to the General Comics forum since its about the Comics Code which affects all comics.
 
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Yeah, I don't think it would fly for most comic companies now even if it were brought back

If most comic readers were kids (of the under 18 and especially under 12 variety) then I might be more for it.

But most of us are adults so whatever ratings the comic companies choose to use are mainly to advise us of their content (& perhaps, just perhaps, if we had actual under 18 kids to shill comics to then it would allow us to know which comics might be best for them).
 
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After reading Red hood and Catwoman, I think it is time to bring back the comics code. When I was a kid my parents never thought twice about me picking up a main stream dc book, SUperman is fine. Nowadays parents can not do that.

DO i thnk everything should be kid-safe, no but the main stream superman batman and wonder woman, should be. and any book featuring a character who was recently on a cartoon like teen titans should be safe for all ages

or amybe i am just a prude
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I do think it is a real shame that the idea of all-ages entertainment is lost in comics. Its also lost pretty much in film and television too.

But the market doesn't target superhero comics to kids anymore. There geared towards older teens and adults.

Also the CMAA sold the intellectual poperty right to the seal, so the code as it was is done.

But a comics code is no more censorship than a ratings system, as long as both are voluntary on the publisher's part. It's a market issue if certain stores decided not to carry non-code comics, not an issue of censorship.
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Actually the code WAS censorship, in that it codified things that could not be represented in a code approved book. This is vastly different than a age based rating system.

From the '54 code: "Profanity, obscenity, smut, vulgarity, or words or symbols which have acquired undesirable meanings are forbidden."

This is vastly different from, say the MPAA's standard that two "****s" in a movie is a PG-13 rating. It can still be said, but the age bracket goes up. The Code says the medium can't use the word at all.
 
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Dear god please no!

It would be better to implement a better rating system, (which they sort of already doing) but the comics code is best left as a memory of the past. Censorship is pure evil in all it's forms. It's stifles creativity and tells us what should be okay. As for parents, they should be responsible enough to read through what they buy their child.

and shouldn't this thread be moved to general?
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This is where I'm at, but I would like the rating box to be both somewhat larger and with perhaps an "see explanation on text page" that outlines what it means with reasonable detail for either a reader or a parent to use as a guide to whether to purchase and better allow Librarians to decide where to place a particular book within their collection.

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I do think it is a real shame that the idea of all-ages entertainment is lost in comics. Its also lost pretty much in film and television too.

But the market doesn't target superhero comics to kids anymore. There geared towards older teens and adults.

Also the CMAA sold the intellectual poperty right to the seal, so the code as it was is done.



Actually the code WAS censorship, in that it codified things that could not be represented in a code approved book. This is vastly different than a age based rating system.

From the '54 code: "Profanity, obscenity, smut, vulgarity, or words or symbols which have acquired undesirable meanings are forbidden."

This is vastly different from, say the MPAA's standard that two "****s" in a movie is a PG-13 rating. It can still be said, but the age bracket goes up. The Code says the medium can't use the word at all.
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Yeah, but the companies didn't have to use the code, unless they wanted to be distributed through certain channels. It's a market issue, not one of the government telling them what they can or can't publish.
And the comic companies voluntarily adhered to the code.

Not that I want to bring back the old code!
 
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...Censorship is pure evil in all it's forms...
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Sorry to pluck this one line out - but really? Censorship is evil? How so? I am really interested to hear any justification for such a position. Unless you want kids reading/viewing porn that is...
 
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Sorry to pluck this one line out - but really? Censorship is evil? How so? I am really interested to hear any justification for such a position. Unless you want kids reading/viewing porn that is...
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Ah but that isn't censorship, that is a ratings issue. The material exists if you are the required age in whichever country. Censorship prevents everyone from seeing it.

And anyway, any kid with a PC can find more porn in seconds than i saw till I was about 30.

I think we've moved on from expecting 5 year olds to buy comics as I could way back when. Shame, but they don't and the 50 year old me does instead. And i'm not bothered at all about the odd exploding head.

So no.
 
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Unless you want kids reading/viewing porn that is...
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The only reason kids would be watching or reading porn, is because they have idiot parents who refuse to be responsible. So because of bad parents who can't watch their own kids...lets censor porn all together! Right? Hey how bout we censor all that other stuff that we take offense to?! Oh man we could make it so everyone has to have the same tastes and thinks the same. Let's all wear the happy face and smile! Hooray!

Nothing should be censored no matter how vile it is or how much it goes against what you or I believe in. To hell with the moral majority and what THEY think is right. Censorship is simply a means to block out what one group dislikes. If I don't like it, neither can you. Give me a break.
 
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Yeah, but the companies didn't have to use the code, unless they wanted to be distributed through certain channels. It's a market issue, not one of the government telling them what they can or can't publish.
And the comic companies voluntarily adhered to the code.

Not that I want to bring back the old code!
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Just because you volunteer to self-censor doesn't mean that you aren't censoring things.
 
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Nothing should be censored no matter how vile it is or how much it goes against what you or I believe in.
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If you're arguing its okay to show a snuff film provided that you didn't actually kill the person involved or to distribute child porn provided you didn't actually molest the child yourself, then I have to disagree. I think there are some things that are, due to their nature, unhealthy for a society to not censor.
 
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After reading Red hood and Catwoman, I think it is time to bring back the comics code. When I was a kid my parents never thought twice about me picking up a main stream dc book, SUperman is fine. Nowadays parents can not do that.

DO i thnk everything should be kid-safe, no but the main stream superman batman and wonder woman, should be. and any book featuring a character who was recently on a cartoon like teen titans should be safe for all ages

or amybe i am just a prude
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Creators have been fighting to (finally) get rid of the Comic Book Code. I have always hated the code and glad that it is gone.
 
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