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Old February 4th, 2012   jafabian is offline   #1
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Angry Is it me or do power rings seem less powerful than they used to be?

Comes across to me as though since Hal's return from the dead the power rings have been portrayed as being less than what they were when Kyle was the only GL. Batman once told Kyle that the ring can do anything the wearer wants as long as they put their mind to it and Kyle once even reignited a sun with his ring. I don't see something like that happening again. Except maybe if the entire Corps was involved.

In the latest issue of Justice League Hal was pretty much owned by Darkseid. I'd like to think he could have done better.
 
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Old February 4th, 2012   Mark MacMillan is offline   #2
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Comes across to me as though since Hal's return from the dead the power rings have been portrayed as being less than what they were when Kyle was the only GL. Batman once told Kyle that the ring can do anything the wearer wants as long as they put their mind to it and Kyle once even reignited a sun with his ring. I don't see something like that happening again. Except maybe if the entire Corps was involved.

In the latest issue of Justice League Hal was pretty much owned by Darkseid. I'd like to think he could have done better.
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Actually, I preferred the ring as a "universal peace keeping tool" with limitations and A.I. programming that the bearer could go to for assistance/information over the "most powerful weapon in the universe" retcon (too deus ex machina for me).

Also, Kyle had a different ring than the GL's before him (no A.I., no need to recharge, etc,)
 
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Old February 4th, 2012   Outside_85 is offline   #3
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Power Rings always seemed to be better weapons on paper than in display, sure they pulled off some good performances a few times...but over all they didnt seem to be that good as the talk made them.
 
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Old February 4th, 2012   Bizarro #98 is offline   #4
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I think it makes sense that Darkseid can take down any given member of the Justice League without much effort. Since Wonder Woman is a demigod now, Darkseid should be at least twice as powerful as her. Consistency!
 
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Old February 4th, 2012   Mark MacMillan is offline   #5
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Power Rings always seemed to be better weapons on paper than in display, sure they pulled off some good performances a few times...but over all they didnt seem to be that good as the talk made them.
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I don't ever recall the ring even being called a weapon before Kyle's run.
 
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Old February 5th, 2012   Thrillho is offline   #6
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I don't ever recall the ring even being called a weapon before Kyle's run.
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Me neither, and I've never been comfortable thinking of it that way; it can do so much more than destroy. And yet, "anything the wearer wants as long as they put their mind to it" turns it into a wishin' genie, which is going too much in the other direction.

I opine there's a lot of fine print that goes into power rings. Let's talk about the old "automatically protects its wearer from harm" function, which I suspect is still there as much as ever ... that doesn't mean that the wearer is suddenly immortal, it just means that the ring will do its best to automatically deal with obvious threats to the wearer's life. You suddenly find yourself in the vacuum of space? A bubble will be constructed with your favorite breathin' gas. A bus is about to smack into you? Force field. You're a Daxamite and you've just gotten a lead bar shoved through your torso? The ring will counter the lead poisoning. But the ring's not going to be proactive enough to beat up Sonar for you, or automatically cope with the Manhunters' nanobot infection; those are just too complicated for the ring to know how to handle without conscious guidance.
 
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Old February 5th, 2012   JRM is offline   #7
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For me less is generally best. There are a lot more story possibilites when writers are constently trying to come up with compelling problems for the mega-powerful character or weapon.

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Old February 18th, 2012   Terry Wood is offline   #8
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I totally agree. For the longest, Hal was supposed to be as powerful or nearly as powerful as Superman. Kyle was also incredibly powerful. But the more DC has played up the police force aspect of the Corps and teamed Lanterns together, they less powerful the rings have been portrayed, imo.

And that kind of makes since, in 60s, 70s and through most of the 80s, it was rare for Lanterns to work together. Generally they stayed in their own sector and other than in the early 80s GL Corps mini series, the whole corps never teamed up.

Now, in GL Corps and other books, there are four or five GLs working together every month.

But I also think the DCnU Superman has been powered down and maybe Wonder Woman, too.
 
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But I also think the DCnU Superman has been powered down and maybe Wonder Woman, too.
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There seems to be a general, across-the-board trend of powering down the heroes and powering up the villains.

Not universally true, of course, but still a noticeable pattern.
 
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I like the idea of the ring being less powerful now versus the Kyle-only era, keeping it in line with Larfleeze being powerful by virtue of the only ring wielder. The ring can be stronger based on the wielder of course, but a do-everything ring should be rare.

My gripe is that the ring just doesn't seem mythic. It's not a factor of there being too many rings as really the difference between 3600 and 7200 wouldn't change that. It's something in the writing, sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not, but that - and power levels - changes in cycles.
 
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I like the idea of the ring being less powerful now versus the Kyle-only era, keeping it in line with Larfleeze being powerful by virtue of the only ring wielder. The ring can be stronger based on the wielder of course, but a do-everything ring should be rare.

My gripe is that the ring just doesn't seem mythic. It's not a factor of there being too many rings as really the difference between 3600 and 7200 wouldn't change that. It's something in the writing, sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not, but that - and power levels - changes in cycles.
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We've seen cases where just the act of flying depletes the ring noticeably, which makes me wonder how it ever packs enough power to, say, lift a boulder.

About the ring being mythic, that's an interesting storytelling question. It's like with Superman: do you tell stories that hinge upon how incredibly powerful he is, or do you go for how cleverly he uses his powers, or do you do stories where his powers can't really win the day? Same thing with power rings. While I felt that the whole "MOST POWERFUL WEAPON IN THE UNIVERSE!!!!" thing was done to death with Kyle, in GLC, the most epic events of late have involved a teleporting alien and conventional weaponry. So I could stand to see a reminder of how incredibly awesome the rings can be, yeah.
 
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About the ring being mythic, that's an interesting storytelling question. It's like with Superman: do you tell stories that hinge upon how incredibly powerful he is, or do you go for how cleverly he uses his powers, or do you do stories where his powers can't really win the day? Same thing with power rings. While I felt that the whole "MOST POWERFUL WEAPON IN THE UNIVERSE!!!!" thing was done to death with Kyle, in GLC, the most epic events of late have involved a teleporting alien and conventional weaponry. So I could stand to see a reminder of how incredibly awesome the rings can be, yeah.
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(At the above average risk of rambling since the kids are on vacation this week and it's hard to form coherent thoughts )

I was thinking "mythic" in the "sword-in-the-stone" sense. Proclaiming the ring is the "most powerful weapon..." is kind of silly since it can be drained, blocked, broken, etc. It certainly should be among the high points of tech in the DCU, a comparatively rare object (I still think 7200 across the universe is rare) and I'm liking that the ring can't be used by just anyone.

It should take an enormous effort, but the whole sense of "this is more than your average super-hero" doesn't seem to be there.

Oddly, there's an abundance of "well, you're a GL, but THESE GLs are so much better than you." Exception being perhaps the late GL Porter. Even switching over to the other Corps, notably Blue and Saint Walker, he seems like an ordinary shmoe (granted, alien shmoe) these days.
 
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