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Old February 28th, 2007   Keith Dallas is offline   #1
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Default 52 Review-off: Comicbloc vs. SBC (Week 43)

Well, Jim takes a defiant stand in his review of today's issue of 52 (SPOILER WARNING! DO NOT READ THIS REVIEW UNTIL YOU'VE READ 52 #43): http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.co...7856483926.htm

Let him know if you agree or disagree with his point.
 
Old February 28th, 2007   Simon DelMonte is offline   #2
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Well, there's no way to tell someone that something is or isn't gross. YMMV, as always. But it didn't bother me. Heck, a certain scene on Heroes this week was a lot more grotesque and didn't bother me, either. Maybe my sensitivity to gore is hard to activate. Maybe it shouldn't be that way. But it is.

The funny thing is that the surprise ending was one of two things in the whole issue that worked for me (the other being Buddy). I thought your one bullet was due to how utterly dull the Black Adamses are getting when this book should be racing to the end. Ah well.
 
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Old February 28th, 2007   Erik Sternberger is offline   #3
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Ouch.

Honestly, while I hate Torture Porn movies like Saw and Hostle, I had no problem with the final scene except that I liked Osiris and LOVED Sobek as the scared Croc, but his turn was easily guessed by forshadowing. "Crocodile Tears" and his giving Osiris an Apple early on.

I understand it is not for everyone, and unfortunatly that will be what everyone talks about in this issue instead of the REALLY cool part with Animal Man.
 
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Here's the thing: Sobek started crunching away and THEN we're treated to even MORE snacking. Overkill. Wasn't the point made on the previous page? I was actually surprised to turn the page and see that it was still going on.

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I guess to prove that he did not get out of it.

Of course, some smarty will claim "We never saw the body!"
 
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Old February 28th, 2007   Chaltab is offline   #6
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I agree whole heartedly about that. This issue was great up until that ending. It managed to gross me out and destroy two perfectly good characters. I enjoyed reading Osirus and Sobek. They were a breath of fresh air in an increasingly dark DC Universe. Then this happens, and now Osirus is lunch and Sobek is a murderer, whether it's because he was evil from the get go or he's being influenced by an outside force.

Even if he doesn't turn out to be a villain, he'll forever have the stigma of of Osirus' murder.
 
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I'm kinda lost about your Plastic Man rant, Jim. You state the the origins avoids what the character's era?

How so? The scenes where Eels is being shot and later finds out his new powers are right out of Police Comics #1 August of 1941 AND the clothes that Ethan drew on Eel was the same that Jack Cole drew in Police Comics #1.
 
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Clar, it never states when it takes place, thus avoiding setting Plastic Man's origins during the 40s...something that has angered many of his fans. I also believe the panel where he's shot makes it look like it was in the 70s, what with his collar like that, etc.

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god forbid I fully agree with you my friend. Normally I don't mind violence. I didn't mind it in the JSA issues, I didn't mind infinite crisis', I didn't mind tearing terra man in half. But this.....yes. It was completely overkill with the second page. you know what. have that take place n 2 pages. one with him taking the bit then turn the page and have a bloddy sobek saying now I'm not so hungry anymore.....nt 5 panels of chomping from different angles. complete overkill and yes. what could have been cool just came off as begging for an oh yuck moment ad really was just annoying to me
 
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I'm with you on the gratuity. Like Chris said, it could have been done without the three extra panels of CSI-style spatter. Have the full-page Chomp, then a close-up of Osiris' face, trying to say "Black Adam", and finally Sobek's "I'm not hungry anymore."

I could have sworn we were told that IC would mark the end of "grim & gritty" for DC, that we were moving back into a kinder, gentler comic book universe. Apparently they just meant that Batman would smile occasionally.
 
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Clar, it never states when it takes place, thus avoiding setting Plastic Man's origins during the 40s...something that has angered many of his fans. I also believe the panel where he's shot makes it look like it was in the 70s, what with his collar like that, etc.

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Where are these angered fans? I am a HUGE Plastic Man fan and I am very pleased with this origins.

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god forbid I fully agree with you my friend. Normally I don't mind violence. I didn't mind it in the JSA issues, I didn't mind infinite crisis', I didn't mind tearing terra man in half. But this.....yes. It was completely overkill with the second page. you know what. have that take place n 2 pages. one with him taking the bit then turn the page and have a bloddy sobek saying now I'm not so hungry anymore.....nt 5 panels of chomping from different angles. complete overkill and yes. what could have been cool just came off as begging for an oh yuck moment ad really was just annoying to me
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Totally agreed. I didn't care about the gore in any of that, but this just screamed wrong. A sihlouette of Sobek assaulting Osiris would've been freakier, or just a blood splatter on the wall and then the "I'm not so hungry anymore" line to really creep things out.

I actually was sorely disappointed with this issue for the lack of Animal Man. Yeah, I'm glad he's alive, but no explanation of why the aliens saved him at that moment? No looks beyond the fourth wall? It just felt like a waste, especially since since I thought he'd have a bigger spotlight in this issue with the cover...
 
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Violence isn't the answer. It's more of a long form essay topic.
 
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Actually, I just re-read the pages.

52 did EXACTLY what it ment to do...repulse you. Give you a very dark moment.

It didn't just go-on and on...It was only Four panels. One was a full size page.

1)The initial bite(Full color)
2) Orisis attempting to say "Black Adam" while Sobek still biting him(Monotone red)
3) Back shot of Sobek with sound effects (Still montone red) Can't see the direct violence, but you see a pool of blood-lost in the red coloring.
4) Last Panel of Sobek, "Now I'm not so hungry"

Yet in those four panel, DC gave you a horrific moment, with dramatic coloring and art to drive the point home. The added sound effects only heighten the experience.

Violent death? You bet. Permanent? His name is Orisis
 
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Luke, I see what you're saying, but one panel of that was one panel too much. My point is that IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BETTER. It could have been done more effectively.

I know the writer(s) probably thought it was poetic justice for Osiris after he put a hole through Whatshisname, but that was too much too. I regret not speaking out more strongly at that point.

I'm not worried about the character of Osiris in the least. He was a whiny brat. I'm more concerned about an art form that I LOVE.

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Clark, why exactly would you be pleased that Plastic Man is no longer a Golden Age character?

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