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Old April 20th, 2013   Matches is offline   #1
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OK so... having read through Avengers #8 and New Avengers #4 - how are these two stories connected to one another, if they are?

We've seen Ex Nihilo take steps in Avengers to make Earth sentient, only to have Starbrand accidentally "kill" it - leading to the reference that the Earth is broken.

New Avengers references the entire multiverse being broken - is this a related event or something else entirely?

Also - any ideas as to when these stories are set in relation to one another? I'm not one to get hung up on the sequence of stories in different titles normally, but in this case if there is a connection between the two, it may be relevant. Specifically, is Iron Man in Avengers operating with the knowledge that the multiverse is in jeopardy as shown in New Avengers?
 
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OK so... having read through Avengers #8 and New Avengers #4 - how are these two stories connected to one another, if they are?

We've seen Ex Nihilo take steps in Avengers to make Earth sentient, only to have Starbrand accidentally "kill" it - leading to the reference that the Earth is broken.

New Avengers references the entire multiverse being broken - is this a related event or something else entirely?

Also - any ideas as to when these stories are set in relation to one another? I'm not one to get hung up on the sequence of stories in different titles normally, but in this case if there is a connection between the two, it may be relevant. Specifically, is Iron Man in Avengers operating with the knowledge that the multiverse is in jeopardy as shown in New Avengers?
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And to go further....where does all this fit in with Iron Man being in space during his book and GoTG? And assuming anything in Cap is real, he's been away for many years.....all VERY confusing.
 
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IMHO, Iron Man's turn in Guardians Of The Galaxy takes place after Age Of Ultron but I don't believe comics are as much of a stickler for detail in timelines as they used to be. That's obvious when you see the Thing, Spider-Man and Wolverine in the Avengers or with the Green Lantern, Batman, Flash and Superman appearing in multiple books for DC.

As long as it results in a good story I don't mind.
 
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IMHO, Iron Man's turn in Guardians Of The Galaxy takes place after Age Of Ultron but I don't believe comics are as much of a stickler for detail in timelines as they used to be. That's obvious when you see the Thing, Spider-Man and Wolverine in the Avengers or with the Green Lantern, Batman, Flash and Superman appearing in multiple books for DC.

As long as it results in a good story I don't mind.
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It can't though....didn't the last Iron Man series end with Tony leaving Earth for space?
 
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Everything in Avengers takes place after Cap is kicked off the illuminate in new Avengers. The final scene of the new Avengers looking down over him is the first memory Cap has waking up in issue 1 of Avengers. So they mind wiped him and got him to build a huge Avengers team just in case they can't handle it them selves.
 
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It can't though....didn't the last Iron Man series end with Tony leaving Earth for space?
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I don't think so but I'm not sure. I don't believe his space armor is capable of interstellar travel. He can get to the moon but but he goes past that point he's limited. But in any event it's a non-issue to me. Just looking for a good story. If Iron Man ends up appearing in multiple books so be it. Considering the success of the movie franchise I understand that.
 
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Everything in Avengers takes place after Cap is kicked off the illuminate in new Avengers. The final scene of the new Avengers looking down over him is the first memory Cap has waking up in issue 1 of Avengers. So they mind wiped him and got him to build a huge Avengers team just in case they can't handle it them selves.
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OR...he is creating a new Avengers team to face the bigger threats...i.e. The Illuminati?
 
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too soon to tell. with Hickman, it'll be a few years down the road before you realize what he's doing. he hails from the Lost/presentism school of storytelling.
 
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I thought the connection was that in NEW AVENGERS we find out that something is causing the multiple earths to "crash" into each other; in AVENGERS we find that the Universe is "broken" and two different systems (Ex Nihlo, the White Event) to "save" universal life have kicked off at the same place (which shouldn't happen) the implication being that the "crash"ing is what's resulting in the "break"ing.

Or something. Really as long as I enojoy each title as they are, I'm perfectly willing to wait for Hickman to make the line through the books obvious.
 
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Everything in Avengers takes place after Cap is kicked off the illuminate in new Avengers. The final scene of the new Avengers looking down over him is the first memory Cap has waking up in issue 1 of Avengers. So they mind wiped him and got him to build a huge Avengers team just in case they can't handle it them selves.
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Thank you; that was exactly what I was looking for. And on re-read, you are entirely correct. I just realized that the Dyson sphere under construction in NA #4 is the spot where the Avengers incarcerate Starbrand and Nightmask at the end of Avengers #9.

So that's really interesting. The Avengers going big could be Tony's attempt to make up his betrayal to Cap, as he promised, or he could be building a team to combat the unintended consequences of whatever he and the Illuminati did.

It can't though....didn't the last Iron Man series end with Tony leaving Earth for space?
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Iron Man has made at least two trips into space, as he is in space in the current "Godkiller" arc but was on Earth during the first arc of his Now! series. I'm not reading Guardians so I can't speak to which trip his adventures with them take place during. Makes more sense for it to be the trip at the end of Fraction's series, because otherwise that trip had no point at all.

As for Cap - seems likely that time is passing differently in Dimension Z than it is in our world, and then whenever he returns little or no time will have passed. I did notice in the last All-New X-Men that Maria Hill made a reference to not being able to find him. Might be a reference to him disappearing, might just be that she couldn't find him at that moment.
 
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As for Cap - seems likely that time is passing differently in Dimension Z than it is in our world, and then whenever he returns little or no time will have passed. I did notice in the last All-New X-Men that Maria Hill made a reference to not being able to find him. Might be a reference to him disappearing, might just be that she couldn't find him at that moment.
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I think that's a reference to Cap & the other Avengers being stuck in the time bubble Tempus put them in in Uncanny X-Men.
Although it makes me wonder just how bad the intelligence people at SHIELD are.
As the Avengers trapped in the bubble is all over the news.
 
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