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Old April 2nd, 2013   jafabian is offline   #1
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Arrow Remender responds to M-word controversey in Uncanny Avengers

From Newsarama: Remender Responds to UNCANNY AVENGERS 'M-Word' Controversy


I didn't know there was one. I did like how Alex was written here though.
 
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From Newsarama: Remender Responds to UNCANNY AVENGERS 'M-Word' Controversy


I didn't know there was one. I did like how Alex was written here though.
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Wow. People are mighty invested in the whole mutant=real-world minority analogy.
My thoughts:
1- It's just a comic book. Maybe the problem is Marvel takes the whole mutant-hatred thing too far, and too seriously?
2- Is what was said really that different from MLK Jr.'s "by the content of our character not the color of our skin" statement? Does the average modern day black person really want me to think of them as black first, then whatever else (a father, a mother, a soldier, an engineer, a Christian, an American, etc.)? I'd like to think pigmentation and ancestral genetic makeup have very little to do with who a person really is inside. Maybe I bought into too much of the "color blind society" concept that I was raised to believe in...

And then the response to Remender's tweet... I take him at his word that he was being sort of intentionally over-the-top in response to being called a racist on Twitter. After all, you're slightly more popular being branded a child molester or cannibal than a racist these days. That's a career-ending, life-destroying label if it sticks. People would do well to save the power that word wields for the truly worthy, lest they water down its efficacy to the point that it is eventually met with little more than an eye roll.

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Old April 3rd, 2013   anthony_lynch15 is offline   #3
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Twitter - where your random off the cuff remarks come back to beat you to death over & over again.

Personally I liked what Remender was trying to get across with Alex's speech.
But I don't think the speech itself was written very well.
But at the end of the day I didn't really care.

The whole incident definitely comes under the category of - "that escalated quickly!"
 
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I liked the speech. It's never made sense that in a world with Hulks, Galactus and Dr. Doom people would be driven into a blind panic by Maggot.

I've waited years for SOME character to just publicly say Mutants are not as different as every writer paints them to be.

For me, the speech was the best part of the issue.
 
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I liked the speech. It's never made sense that in a world with Hulks, Galactus and Dr. Doom people would be driven into a blind panic by Maggot.

I've waited years for SOME character to just publicly say Mutants are not as different as every writer paints them to be.

For me, the speech was the best part of the issue.
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I agree....Another thing I always found silly was why Spiderman was the only super hero in NY wanted by the police.

But really is there any difference between any super hero who was given powers by accident and a mutant who was born with that power?
 
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Yous didn't find the speech a bit cheesy?
 
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Yous didn't find the speech a bit cheesy?
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Nope. I thought it was on point.

IMO the critic from Comics Alliance was completely wrong, but that's the thing about opinions. Everyone has them.
 
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Nope. I thought it was on point.

IMO the critic from Comics Alliance was completely wrong, but that's the thing about opinions. Everyone has them.
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Yeah, the Comic Alliance guy is way over thinking the whole thing.

All I know is when Havok said "How about Alex?" - I definitely rolled my eyes. LOL

But then I roll my eyes every time Claremont has someone say-
blah blah blah "Body & Soul".
And I definitely get the impression Remender is tapping in to the 70s & 80s type writing style for Uncanny Avengers. So I suppose it fits.
 
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Yous didn't find the speech a bit cheesy?
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Yes, but deciding that "Mutant" is an offensive slur all of the sudden is the real problem. It's a problem in-universe (hopefully all the other writers ignore it) and it's analogous to a problem in the real world where declaring that a commonly used word is offensive out of the blue is largely about controlling other people.

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Yes, but deciding that "Mutant" is an offensive slur all of the sudden is the real problem. It's a problem in-universe (hopefully all the other writers ignore it) and it's analogous to a problem in the real world where declaring that a commonly used word is offensive out of the blue is largely about controlling other people.

Silliness.
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Interesting take. I would have to say I tend to agree with that.
 
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Yes, but deciding that "Mutant" is an offensive slur all of the sudden is the real problem. It's a problem in-universe (hopefully all the other writers ignore it) and it's analogous to a problem in the real world where declaring that a commonly used word is offensive out of the blue is largely about controlling other people.

Silliness.
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I hardly see it as "all of a sudden". People in universe were using "mutant", "mutie", "genefreak" and various other terms to describe X-related characters in not so flattering ways since the 60's. What IS all of a sudden is that someone called them on it. I don't find it an analogue for "declaring that a commonly used word is offensive out of the blue", but saying that certain words that WERE meant in a derogatory fashion (the N-word, the F-word, certain words to describe Jewish people or Chinese people...hey, I'm not getting banned just to make a point) are offensive.

Also, just because Alex feels that way (or said he did to make a point about unity) doesn't mean Scott or Ororo or Magneto or Maggot feel that way. Which is kind of the point the character is making.
 
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I hardly see it as "all of a sudden". People in universe were using "mutant", "mutie", "genefreak" and various other terms to describe X-related characters in not so flattering ways since the 60's. What IS all of a sudden is that someone called them on it. I don't find it an analogue for "declaring that a commonly used word is offensive out of the blue", but saying that certain words that WERE meant in a derogatory fashion (the N-word, the F-word, certain words to describe Jewish people or Chinese people...hey, I'm not getting banned just to make a point) are offensive.

Also, just because Alex feels that way (or said he did to make a point about unity) doesn't mean Scott or Ororo or Magneto or Maggot feel that way. Which is kind of the point the character is making.
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This. It's about pointing out a problem that went unaddressed for a long time, and due to the fact that the X-men have always been seen as analogous to various minorities, it's strange that it's only just been addressed when the first thing that any civil rights group does is point out the offensive terms used to describe the persecuted group.

Also, is it just me or has Cyclops started to become Magneto while Alex has become Xavier? It would be really cool if these two developed into those new roles, especially since Magneto/Xavier were "like" brothers versus these two being actual brothers, and additionally the fact that in the 90s you would have guessed that they would have ended up in the opposite roles.

I like the second point you make, because it's true, and I would like to see Cyclops' reaction at some point.
 
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Seriously?

Kind of reminds me of something I saw a while ago....



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I hardly see it as "all of a sudden". People in universe were using "mutant", "mutie", "genefreak" and various other terms to describe X-related characters in not so flattering ways since the 60's. What IS all of a sudden is that someone called them on it. I don't find it an analogue for "declaring that a commonly used word is offensive out of the blue", but saying that certain words that WERE meant in a derogatory fashion (the N-word, the F-word, certain words to describe Jewish people or Chinese people...hey, I'm not getting banned just to make a point) are offensive.

Also, just because Alex feels that way (or said he did to make a point about unity) doesn't mean Scott or Ororo or Magneto or Maggot feel that way. Which is kind of the point the character is making.
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I was always under the impression (correctly or not) that "mutant" was an accepted term, as the mutants referred to themselves as mutants (and not ironically or in some "own the slur" type of way).

Now "mutie" was always obviously meant to be derogatory.

Regardless, I wish (and this sounds so naive and pollyannaish) that in reality people were just people and their racial (not cultural, mind you; that's different) ancestry only mattered at all to anyone when it came to medical issues that differ for people of varying genetic backgrounds.
 
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I was always under the impression (correctly or not) that "mutant" was an accepted term, as the mutants referred to themselves as mutants (and not ironically or in some "own the slur" type of way).
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While true, if you look at history you will see that words which have been used for years or decades, becoming less acceptable. Just in the past 100 years, both the words Negro and Colored, which at one time were used frequently and without insult by people of all races, now would get you a quick punch or dressing down.
 
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I was always under the impression (correctly or not) that "mutant" was an accepted term, as the mutants referred to themselves as mutants (and not ironically or in some "own the slur" type of way).

Now "mutie" was always obviously meant to be derogatory.

Regardless, I wish (and this sounds so naive and pollyannaish) that in reality people were just people and their racial (not cultural, mind you; that's different) ancestry only mattered at all to anyone when it came to medical issues that differ for people of varying genetic backgrounds.
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In a way isn't that Alex's argument though?

Whether you think "mutant" is a slur or not, classing people as mutants is a way of creating an "other" out of a segment of humanity. Sociologically people are less likely to feel empathy for society's others than they are for individuals they know.

So Alex's point is that he's an individual, not a monolithic group of people which really exists as an artificial construct to group together disparate individuals (and in Alex's opinion, dehumanize them).
 
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