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Old March 28th, 2007   CrimeSyndicateCraig is offline   #1
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From Bruce Wayne skiing to a new love interest to fighting crooked cops to the REALLY AWESOME Andy Kubert spread of Batman flying down, kicking some guys face in, I have to say I really enjoyed this issue. It seemed like it would be another generic Batman story, but Grant really threw in some really good scenes and an interesting mystery.
 
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Old March 28th, 2007   rpi is offline   #2
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If the two titles didn't have the same writer listed, I'd have a lot of trouble believing this Batman run was being written by the guy who did the best run on JLA ever and is writing the astonishing AS Superman. By all accounts from other great creators, Morrison has more ideas in a day for comics than most creators get in a month. Seeing what he's done with JLA, X-Men, Superman, 52, Animal Man, Seven Soldiers, and so many others, I can absolutely believe that. It's so frustrating to me that his work on Batman feels like the exception. The man who took out five white martians after bailing from his destroyed plane gets taken out like that by a Bane-reject crooked cop? The man who, in a lot of ways, is the conscience of the DCU takes out a helicopter the way he did, risking the pilot's life? Plus, that skiing scene...I think Morrison's taking his Bond love a bit too far. The Joker story was really fantastic but other than that...it just feels like Morrison's slumming here, like he's putting in less effort than he does with pretty much every other thing he does. Same writer, same character, but they feel totally different and not in a good way.
 
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Old March 28th, 2007   Ourheroerikw5 is offline   #3
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Does anyone else feel that this title is a little hard to follow? I feel like Grant is jumping to a different story before he finishes the last one. Am i alone in thinking this?
 
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Does anyone else feel that this title is a little hard to follow? I feel like Grant is jumping to a different story before he finishes the last one. Am i alone in thinking this?
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I didn't read this issue yet, but wasn't the Joker story finished? I came away from the issue thinking that, at least.
 
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Old March 28th, 2007   rpi is offline   #5
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I didn't read this issue yet, but wasn't the Joker story finished? I came away from the issue thinking that, at least.
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It starts just as the Talia/Damien/ninja Man-Bat story is ending. I'm guessing the Joker story was planned for a little later but it had to be moved up to accommodate Kubert's pace.
 
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It starts just as the Talia/Damien/ninja Man-Bat story is ending. I'm guessing the Joker story was planned for a little later but it had to be moved up to accommodate Kubert's pace.
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Maybe, but the Joker story did end. So we're going from a finished story to another story.
 
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Old March 28th, 2007   booyah is offline   #7
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This issue really did seem random, I will admit that.
Aside from that it was an interesting read. Kubert's art took a BIG step up this issue, it was spectacular.
Can't wait to find out what the Black Casebook is, sounds pretty intriguing.
 
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I really liked the issue, it was good to actually read an issue of Batman after the Ostrander issues and the Joker ones I didn't read.

It was good to see Bruce be out on a date and actually be happy. I really want to know what the Black Casebook is, it sounds really intriguing. Also who did Batman kill Samurai style? have we seen that or is that happening in 52?

and Batman losing was because he wasn't focused on fighting, I mean he was thinking about the Black Casebook, which must be super important for him to be unfocused.
 
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If the two titles didn't have the same writer listed, I'd have a lot of trouble believing this Batman run was being written by the guy who did the best run on JLA ever and is writing the astonishing AS Superman. By all accounts from other great creators, Morrison has more ideas in a day for comics than most creators get in a month. Seeing what he's done with JLA, X-Men, Superman, 52, Animal Man, Seven Soldiers, and so many others, I can absolutely believe that. It's so frustrating to me that his work on Batman feels like the exception. The man who took out five white martians after bailing from his destroyed plane gets taken out like that by a Bane-reject crooked cop? The man who, in a lot of ways, is the conscience of the DCU takes out a helicopter the way he did, risking the pilot's life? Plus, that skiing scene...I think Morrison's taking his Bond love a bit too far. The Joker story was really fantastic but other than that...it just feels like Morrison's slumming here, like he's putting in less effort than he does with pretty much every other thing he does. Same writer, same character, but they feel totally different and not in a good way.
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Wow, you don't get out much do you? It is a comicbook i.e. entertainment!
So mad...

I thought this issue was amazing and superb. Morrison, is a fantastic writer and Kubert's art just leapt off the pages. Awesome read!
 
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Wow, you don't get out much do you? It is a comicbook i.e. entertainment!
So mad...

I thought this issue was amazing and superb. Morrison, is a fantastic writer and Kubert's art just leapt off the pages. Awesome read!
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Soz, I just like the idea of Morrison being able to keep up the pace he does on other titles with the character he seemed to be able to write the best. My fault for having expectations based on his previous work, I know.
 
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This is how All-Star Batman should be done. A solid issue, very much worthy of being a Bat-title. Love the opening with Bruce. It made Bruce Wayne as interesting a character as Batman himself.
 
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I far preferred the ending to the beginning.

If Batman's going to be in a fight with a synthetic, amped-up giant, he should get battered, but in his head, he's not irrevocably beaten. Which is why I love him; he's always on the edge of the end, he's breakable and he knows it, and it still doesn't stop him....even when he knows it's inevitable that he'll lose a fight like this one. I loved that last panel and I'm eagerly waiting to find out how, even if, he'll come back.
 
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One interesting idea that was pointed out on another message board: what if Bruce Wayne is still with Jezebel when Batman is getting his back broken again? This issue does have a different letterer than the previous ones but "Batman's" thought balloons look very different from the previous Morrison issue that had them. There's also an established theme through Morrison's run already of people dressing up like Batman, be it the cop at the start of it, the Bane-type-person, Damien of the future, or the multi-cultural Batmen of all the world. Granted, it's a concept I'm not sure is worth exploring since it dilutes the idea of Batman but it's there. It also doesn't necessarily explain his interior monologue referring to board rooms and his willingness to hand out Wayne Enterprises cards, but it's still an interesting idea.
 
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i am loving this issue, art was fine, story nice.

small moments please me. like when batman told the young prostitute not to be out on the streets again!
and he gave her the waynecorp card with the phone number on it. sweet. made me smile, when a comic does that for me, it does it's job. batman is going so well now i feel.
 
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What a mess. Half irrelevant., half incoherent. Sorry, Grant, but that's if for me.
 
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Old March 29th, 2007   Holiday is offline   #16
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Morrison's run on Batman so far has been pretty good. I really enjoyed the issue. He seems to have a great grasp of Batman and Bruce Wayne. I can't wait for the next issue.
 
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