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Old April 3rd, 2013   chrisbenes is offline   #17
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I was always under the impression (correctly or not) that "mutant" was an accepted term, as the mutants referred to themselves as mutants (and not ironically or in some "own the slur" type of way).

Now "mutie" was always obviously meant to be derogatory.

Regardless, I wish (and this sounds so naive and pollyannaish) that in reality people were just people and their racial (not cultural, mind you; that's different) ancestry only mattered at all to anyone when it came to medical issues that differ for people of varying genetic backgrounds.
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I believe that it's ok for a mutant to call oneself or a fellow mutant by the term mutant. However if your not a mutant then it's unacceptable.

There are examples I can give regarding real life situations but will refrain from doing so in case I accidentally offend someone.
 
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Old April 3rd, 2013   Mr. Wrong is offline   #18
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While true, if you look at history you will see that words which have been used for years or decades, becoming less acceptable. Just in the past 100 years, both the words Negro and Colored, which at one time were used frequently and without insult by people of all races, now would get you a quick punch or dressing down.
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I was actually thinking about that in regards to this. In some ways I see the comparison.

In a way isn't that Alex's argument though?

Whether you think "mutant" is a slur or not, classing people as mutants is a way of creating an "other" out of a segment of humanity. Sociologically people are less likely to feel empathy for society's others than they are for individuals they know.

So Alex's point is that he's an individual, not a monolithic group of people which really exists as an artificial construct to group together disparate individuals (and in Alex's opinion, dehumanize them).
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That's how I perceived the comments, as a plea to be viewed as an individual first. How in the world can that sentiment offend anyone? How can "diversity hawks" be opposed to expressions of individuality, the ultimate form of diversity?
 
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Old April 3rd, 2013   Mr. Wrong is offline   #19
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I believe that it's ok for a mutant to call oneself or a fellow mutant by the term mutant. However if your not a mutant then it's unacceptable.

There are examples I can give regarding real life situations but will refrain from doing so in case I accidentally offend someone.
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That was what I meant by "owning the slur" or whatever. I thought mutant was the "clinical" or "correct" term in the Marvel Universe.
 
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Old April 3rd, 2013   chrisbenes is offline   #20
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That was what I meant by "owning the slur" or whatever. I thought mutant was the "clinical" or "correct" term in the Marvel Universe.
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for a while I did as well. But apparently I may have been mistaken
 
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Old April 3rd, 2013   LionKnight is offline   #21
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I'm just waiting for someone to pick up on the obvious joke and start calling "mutants"..."alexs"

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Old April 4th, 2013   Matches is offline   #22
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Also, is it just me or has Cyclops started to become Magneto while Alex has become Xavier?
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Not just you. I believe this is definitely Marvel's intention. Cyclops has pretty clearly morphed into Magneto. I think Remender's trying to set Havok up as the counter-point, remains to be seen whether he will succeed.
 
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I'm just waiting for someone to pick up on the obvious joke and start calling "mutants"..."alexs"

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Maybe they'll start calling mutants "genetically challenged" per Strong Guy.
 
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Not just you. I believe this is definitely Marvel's intention. Cyclops has pretty clearly morphed into Magneto. I think Remender's trying to set Havok up as the counter-point, remains to be seen whether he will succeed.
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He definitely has a little way to go before he can be the new Xavier.
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Maybe they'll start calling mutants "genetically challenged" per Strong Guy.
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Wouldn't homo sapiens be "genetically challenged", as they can do less than?
 
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In a way isn't that Alex's argument though?

Whether you think "mutant" is a slur or not, classing people as mutants is a way of creating an "other" out of a segment of humanity. Sociologically people are less likely to feel empathy for society's others than they are for individuals they know.

So Alex's point is that he's an individual, not a monolithic group of people which really exists as an artificial construct to group together disparate individuals (and in Alex's opinion, dehumanize them).
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And this.

Imagine, comic readers blowing something extremely out of proportion. *rolls eyes*

Also, as I believe TJ pointed out, what I find bizarre is that no other writer has thought to have another character make this kind of speech long before now.

I also agree on the point that it's silly that people are frightened of mutants and not other characters with superpowers. How would your average MU citizen know that Storm was a mutant and Spider-Woman was not? I believe the "mutant as a minority" thing just needs to be done away with altogether. Marvel was closer to believability with the concept of the superhuman registration stuff during Civil War.
 
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Character have made similar speeches, though this was the first to reject the word mutant all together. I'm sure if the internet was popular back than the same people would have complained.
 
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Wouldn't homo sapiens be "genetically challenged", as they can do less than?
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heh... maybe, but mostly it's an old X-Factor reference when Peter David had Strong Guy come up with the term and then made it Gee Cee's for short.

Havok trying to use the term correctly at the time was pretty funny.
 
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I also agree on the point that it's silly that people are frightened of mutants and not other characters with superpowers. How would your average MU citizen know that Storm was a mutant and Spider-Woman was not? I believe the "mutant as a minority" thing just needs to be done away with altogether. Marvel was closer to believability with the concept of the superhuman registration stuff during Civil War.
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The single most ludicrous example is Hank McCoy. As an X-Man, when he looked pretty "normal", he gets torches and bottles thrown at him and people wetting themselves at the sight of him. As an Avenger, when he looks like a big blue ape like creature, but not quite an ape....people love him and he's treated like a celebrity.

Yeah, THAT'S consistent and logical.
 
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The single most ludicrous example is Hank McCoy. As an X-Man, when he looked pretty "normal", he gets torches and bottles thrown at him and people wetting themselves at the sight of him. As an Avenger, when he looks like a big blue ape like creature, but not quite an ape....people love him and he's treated like a celebrity.

Yeah, THAT'S consistent and logical.
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I love it when it would be brought up from time to time.

One I like is the first arc of X-treme X-men, and Spain captures the team. When identifying them, they come across Beast's Avengers ID card and only then do they get worried about capturing a honest to god superhero. The rest of the X-men, not so much.
 
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I hardly see it as "all of a sudden". People in universe were using "mutant", "mutie", "genefreak" and various other terms to describe X-related characters in not so flattering ways since the 60's. What IS all of a sudden is that someone called them on it. I don't find it an analogue for "declaring that a commonly used word is offensive out of the blue", but saying that certain words that WERE meant in a derogatory fashion (the N-word, the F-word, certain words to describe Jewish people or Chinese people...hey, I'm not getting banned just to make a point) are offensive.
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The real-world analogy would be a black guy calling someone out on calling him black and saying that the "B-word is everything he hates". The fact that mutants have been calling themselves mutants forever, as Mr. Wrong puts it, without any irony or "own the slur" tones, just means this really is out of the blue. And silly and whiny.

As far as the concept of not needing to have a term at all, that's just empty-headed idealism in this scenario. When your headquarters is a school for people like you and has been built around a giant sphere meant to find people like you, it's kinda useful to have a term for what makes you unique.
 
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The real-world analogy would be a black guy calling someone out on calling him black and saying that the "B-word is everything he hates". The fact that mutants have been calling themselves mutants forever, as Mr. Wrong puts it, without any irony or "own the slur" tones, just means this really is out of the blue. And silly and whiny.

As far as the concept of not needing to have a term at all, that's just empty-headed idealism in this scenario. When your headquarters is a school for people like you and has been built around a giant sphere meant to find people like you, it's kinda useful to have a term for what makes you unique.
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Mutants have been calling themselves that, true. But when non-mutants used the word, it was...well, not used as a designation most times and usually followed with words like "scum", "trash", "menace"....you know, like telemarketers.
 
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