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Old June 25th, 2008   Dokhou is offline   #65
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I think the problem with making the Alpha Lantern / Internal Affairs comparison is that people look at RL IA and see disparities between their role and the role of the Fictional Alpha Lanterns. I think the comparison on a high level is a good one..but when it gets into the details..some differences exist.

There aren't may appearances by the Alpha Lanterns..so I think what they can and cannot do has to refer to whats going on in the books.

So far..I haven't seen any thing in FC that contradicts what Geoff has done...it merely contradicts what real IA officers are empowered to do.

I hope that makes sense.
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I agree. I also think the Alpha Lanterns will be another 'mistake' that will haunt the Guardians. They have too much Manhunters in them. In the last Green Lantern before the origin storyline started, the Alpha Lantern said "No Green Lantern escapes the Alpha Lanterns!" Sound familiar?
 
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Old June 25th, 2008   Dokhou is offline   #66
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I think this is showing that the heroes do not realize what is going on, they are assuming this is retribution for the Blockbuster thing and are totally oblivious of the fact that Libra is making a power grab.

If this was a last minute addition to the story I think it plays into it very well.
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Old June 25th, 2008   just_will is offline   #67
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You have to understand.... People determine what they want to based on the Preview. Regardless if is only one quarter of the book.
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That, and artist comment that the action starts in issue 3, and Didio's comments that FC is a "slow burn."

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Old June 25th, 2008   Mark MacMillan is offline   #68
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I was more wondering about the meaning I should get from there being an alpha lantern being there. Should I be thinking Hal and John might be in trouble, or this is a big case because they assigned an alpha lantern? Or both or neither...

Since I honestly don't know what an Alpha lantern is really about, I was thinking I might be missing some greater importance to it showing up.
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I think you're dwelling too much on what they're about, and not really thinking about how they fit in the story.

The AL's are ranked higher than the normal GL, and they were called in to oversee this investigation because of it's importance to the cosmic scheme of things (the New Gods are cosmic Gods)

Being so intertwined with the cosmos, the Guardians recognize the significance of killing the New Gods a little better than most, and called in their big guns to oversee things for them.
 
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I suspect that must be it.

J'onn was killed because that was the Human Flame's hearts' desire, that was pretty clear in issue #1.

The Secret Society barely wanted anything to do with the Human Flame, he was only there on Libra's invitation so Libra could prove a point to the group..
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Yep. Thing is, according to the preview, Libra's doing all of this on behalf of his boss. What Libra personally wants from HF here in FC#2 we'll have to wait and see as the rest of the story unfolds.

I think this is showing that the heroes do not realize what is going on, they are assuming this is retribution for the Blockbuster thing and are totally oblivious of the fact that Libra is making a power grab.

If this was a last minute addition to the story I think it plays into it very well.
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I think the last page of FC#1 is non-linear, and HF hasn't released his video publicly yet. Either that or not all of the heroes have seen it yet.
 
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Regarding the presence of the Alpha Lanterns...

Perhaps The Guardians have a better idea of what might be behind Orion's death and would rather have the Alpha Lanterns, who seem more loyal and subservient to The Guardians, than Hal or John who are known to ignore The Guardians at times and take bigger risks.

Just a suggestion.

I'd also agree that the Internal Affairs aspect is probably just one of their responsibilities.
 
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Old June 25th, 2008   superfriend is offline   #71
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I was more wondering about the meaning I should get from there being an alpha lantern being there. Should I be thinking Hal and John might be in trouble, or this is a big case because they assigned an alpha lantern? Or both or neither...

Since I honestly don't know what an Alpha lantern is really about, I was thinking I might be missing some greater importance to it showing up.
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this is where the dissonance is coming in for me.

how we've seen the ALs role up to this point be is when the GL went rogue and murdered a Sin Corps member in cold blood. the ALs were created at that point to be a check and balance to the Kill Rule. I don't know if they were called Internal Affairs explicitly (have to go reread those issues) or if fans assumed that because the ALs were created during that particular event that they were meant to be an extra layer between the GLs and the Guardians and were meant to keep the GLs in order.

in real life that's known usually as an Internal Affairs role. and the more the GLs get portrayed like real cops with codes identifying certain things to respond to (like a 1011) or cordoning off crime scenes, the more the reader begins to graft their knowledge of cop procedurals onto the GLs. in this age of Law and Order, it's conceptual shorthand.

the problem's coming in now where the ALs are being said to be superior officers and better investigators and being sent in for big cases. this isn't IA in the strictest sense.

with the disconnect between FC and everything that's come before it, it's hard to assume that how fans have been describing it up to this point hasn't been the full picture when it could very well be someone running with a Grant idea improperly--it's a major sticking point with the book already.

i'm gonna read those AL issues before Final Crisis today and make up my own mind. i can still enjoy the story if they're at odds, but my superior officer is nagging me to get this continuity bit straightened out.
 
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I was more wondering about the meaning I should get from there being an alpha lantern being there. Should I be thinking Hal and John might be in trouble, or this is a big case because they assigned an alpha lantern? Or both or neither...

Since I honestly don't know what an Alpha lantern is really about, I was thinking I might be missing some greater importance to it showing up.
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I think you can secure that from what is in the scenes.

The Guardians assign a Alpha Lantern to investigate.
The Alpha Lantern states that it is in charge of the investigation.
Hal kinda explains the AL's actions to the League as well as gives his own "report" as to his activities.
Hal is being reprimanded..but moreso for neglecting duties to the rest of his sector.

So in this context it appears to be a "Senior Officer" kinda role..but that doesn't negate that it is also able to act in an "Internal Affairs" capacity.
 
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the problem's coming in now where the ALs are being said to be superior officers and better investigators and being sent in for big cases. this isn't IA in the strictest sense.
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Actually Hal says the Kraken is "one of the best investigators in the corps", not that all Alpha Lanterns are better investigators.

I think the IA thing came from interviews and the context of their first appearance, but when reading them in GL it seemed to me that that was just part of what they were responsible for.
 
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I think the IA thing came from interviews and the context of their first appearance, but when reading them in GL it seemed to me that that was just part of what they were responsible for.
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Nope. It was established in GL #28...



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