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Old April 5th, 2011   Green Effigy is offline   #97
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Blade wasn't in anyone's mind back in the 90s but it spawned 2 sequels. Blade wasn't even a great character until Wesley Snipes portrayed the character. DC could start small and build up from their main roster. Make 2 or 3 movies a year. (Am I crazy to say something like this? Yes)

TDK made $1 billion dollars thanks to Nolan and crew. Can some of that revenue go to another franchise?
 
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What I'm trying to say is that, in the past it's been a hit and miss with some characters because of lack of vision and/or desire. Steel with Shaquile O'neal anyone? The Flash tv show from the 90's that lasted 1 season?

Flash and Green Arrow are characters that are constantly pushed in Smallville and those are the guys that raise the ratings for the show alone (not all the time but some).
 
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What I'm trying to say is that, in the past it's been a hit and miss with some characters because of lack of vision and/or desire. Steel with Shaquile O'neal anyone? The Flash tv show from the 90's that lasted 1 season?

Flash and Green Arrow are characters that are constantly pushed in Smallville and those are the guys that raise the ratings for the show alone (not all the time but some).
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a) Steel isn't making your case. He was a relatively unknown character, torn from the mythos that spawned him and made into something totally different.

b) The Flash TV show was 1)up against Cosby, 2) often pre-empted by Desert Storm newsbreaks and 3) cost-prohibitive. Those are what killed it.

c) Flash and Green Arrow raise ratings (as does Aquaman, the Legion and the JSA) because...the episodes they're on SOMETHING HAPPENS.


If you want to sell the JLoA movie, you need at least 2 of the biggies in there.


How do you think the hype for the Avengers would go if the line up was Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, the Vision, the Wasp, the Beast and Wonder Man. All beloved Avengers, but hardly ticket sellers.
 
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That would never fly...mostly because there's an alarming lack of big names. If you think DC is going to let a Justice League movie fly (excuse the pun) without Bats, Supes or Wonder Woman to sell tickets...
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But who doesn't want to see emo sparkly JLoA with a cast like that?
 
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Okay....2013 is too soon for a JLoA movie. With the exception of Superman and Batman, there's been little to no establishment of any of the core members needed to make it a success.

Besides, given their looooong history of being shy about doing much for aanyone not Superman or Batman, don't you think they'd want to see how GL performs before moving forward?
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X-Men didn't need to release a movie about Magneto, Prof X, Wolverine, and Cyclops before they had a team movie.

JLoA does not NEED to have solo movies before they release a JLoA movie.

For that matter neither does Avengers, but great if Marvel wants to do it that way.
 
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It is an interesting move though - the appeal to a team like JLA or Avengers when they originally started was that they were putting the "big" properties together.

It also save you from having to overly explain to the audience who the people are and allows you to concentrate on other story things.

At this point though, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman are probably internationally known to the point that they could anchor a JLA film without having lead in films; however doing so allows the JLA film to potentially be consistent with what viewers are seeing from the individual movies.
 
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It is an interesting move though - the appeal to a team like JLA or Avengers when they originally started was that they were putting the "big" properties together.

It also save you from having to overly explain to the audience who the people are and allows you to concentrate on other story things.

At this point though, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman are probably internationally known to the point that they could anchor a JLA film without having lead in films; however doing so allows the JLA film to potentially be consistent with what viewers are seeing from the individual movies.
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Maybe so but from my personal point of view...

I do not want to watch another origin movie about a hero I am already familiar with in the comics.

I do not want to die before JLA movie finally sees theaters.
 
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I really, really hope that no one does a Batman or Superman origin film again...no, just no.
 
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The Flash TV show was up against the first season of the Simpsons too. I tend to think of that show like I know people think of Firefly. A great on season show that could have gone much longer. As for Smallville's rather stupid inability to get a spinoff, at the very least, they should be ashamed there is no Green Arrow or Aquaman solo show beyond the pilot.
 
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X-Men didn't need to release a movie about Magneto, Prof X, Wolverine, and Cyclops before they had a team movie.

JLoA does not NEED to have solo movies before they release a JLoA movie.

For that matter neither does Avengers, but great if Marvel wants to do it that way.
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One glaring differnce...the X-Men (and the FF) have a singular origin. Explain mutants once and you've covered everyone. You cannot do that with the Avengers or the JLoA
 
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Maybe so but from my personal point of view...

I do not want to watch another origin movie about a hero I am already familiar with in the comics.

I do not want to die before JLA movie finally sees theaters.
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But the origin movies aren't made for us. Simple math. Let's say all GL readers go see the movie. That's what? 80K? Now let's multiply that by 10 (and I'm being generous) to cover fans who've left the comics behind. 800,000. Times 12.00 a ticket and let's say each and every one of them sees the movie 3 tiimes each (hey, if I'm being generous.,...). What's that gross?


28,800,000.00


We're a blip on their core demographic.
 
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One glaring differnce...the X-Men (and the FF) have a singular origin. Explain mutants once and you've covered everyone. You cannot do that with the Avengers or the JLoA
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But look how many Avengers actually debuted within the series rather than their own books. Even ones that didn't, such as Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Black Panther, Hawkeye and others only appeared a few times in the Marvel Universe before becoming a part of the team.

A lot of the JLA members have appeared a lot more in JLA than on their own as well. So I'm not sure that these movies are so dependent on their members being established in order for their stories to be successful as a film.
 
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But look how many Avengers actually debuted within the series rather than their own books. Even ones that didn't, such as Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Black Panther, Hawkeye and others only appeared a few times in the Marvel Universe before becoming a part of the team.

A lot of the JLA members have appeared a lot more in JLA than on their own as well. So I'm not sure that these movies are so dependent on their members being established in order for their stories to be successful as a film.
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It is about suspension of disbelief; there is likely broader and greater in-built suspension of disbelief for a typical comic book fan than say the majority of the movie-going public who pitch up to see the superhero block buster.

We have been brought up on the accepted tropes of the comic book medium, but what works there - because of the accepted logical underpinning of all sorts of concpets including magic, super-technology, aliens etc - does not have the same underpinning in a 2 hour movie.

Basically the accepted broader suspension of disbelief makes allowances that don't requitre the same explanantions as a movie featuring the characters for the first time would probably require.
 
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But look how many Avengers actually debuted within the series rather than their own books. Even ones that didn't, such as Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Black Panther, Hawkeye and others only appeared a few times in the Marvel Universe before becoming a part of the team.

A lot of the JLA members have appeared a lot more in JLA than on their own as well. So I'm not sure that these movies are so dependent on their members being established in order for their stories to be successful as a film.
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But the thing is with Comics...you have time to go into the "who is this guy?" "what does he do?" "why is he an avenger/member of the JLoa?" questions and answer them. In detail. Sometimes too too much detail. You can do special Secret Origin arcs. One shots. Mini Series.

In a movie, you have 2 hours. At best. Having to do origins of individual heroes even in exposition takes away from the main story, which is the team.
 
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But the thing is with Comics...you have time to go into the "who is this guy?" "what does he do?" "why is he an avenger/member of the JLoa?" questions and answer them. In detail. Sometimes too too much detail. You can do special Secret Origin arcs. One shots. Mini Series.

In a movie, you have 2 hours. At best. Having to do origins of individual heroes even in exposition takes away from the main story, which is the team.
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Look at the Justice League cartoon then.

That cartoon was made for a broad audience, and did not go into the origin of every member on the team before they showed the team together solving a crisis together.

You do not HAVE to have the origin of every team member before you show the group working together as a team.

And I think you are underestimating how many people out there know a few things about the origin of most of the major JLA members.

Batman, check, nearly everyone on the planet already knows Bruce Wayne's parents were killed, I am the night, I am vengeance, blah blah blah.

Superman, check, he's already had 5 feature films.

Wonder Woman, check, she's been in a bunch of cartoons, TV series, and has her own makeup line from what I hear.

Aquaman, check, he's the fish guy. Everyone knows this. No other explanation is needed for him to function in a JLA movie. He's also been on Smallville and a few cartoons.

Green Lantern - check, cartoons, major movie this summer.

Martian Manhunter - probably the most unknown major member of the JLA, but even he has been in cartoons and Smallville.
 
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Look at the Justice League cartoon then.

That cartoon was made for a broad audience, and did not go into the origin of every member on the team before they showed the team together solving a crisis together.

You do not HAVE to have the origin of every team member before you show the group working together as a team.

And I think you are underestimating how many people out there know a few things about the origin of most of the major JLA members.

Batman, check, nearly everyone on the planet already knows Bruce Wayne's parents were killed, I am the night, I am vengeance, blah blah blah.

Superman, check, he's already had 5 feature films.

Wonder Woman, check, she's been in a bunch of cartoons, TV series, and has her own makeup line from what I hear.

Aquaman, check, he's the fish guy. Everyone knows this. No other explanation is needed for him to function in a JLA movie. He's also been on Smallville and a few cartoons.

Green Lantern - check, cartoons, major movie this summer.

Martian Manhunter - probably the most unknown major member of the JLA, but even he has been in cartoons and Smallville.
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Again, they had a SEASON. They had the luxury of time. And what you assume "everyone knows" would be woefully put to the test with the majority of the movie going public. You've got two characters (hopefully soon 3....or 4 if the tv show tkes off) that would be considered "known" to a larger audience.

I'm just trying to put myself in the shoes of the non comic reading public (you know...the majority). Yes, comic book fans would love to bypass origin movies and get everything just like the comic, but we're not a sizable demographic (as I pointed out above).
 
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