Ramblings ASBaR: From Miller and Lee to O'Neill and Adams?

[Kyle Sing]

I was just thinking about who would take over All-Star Batman and Robin after Frank Miller and Jim Lee complete their run and it hit me that a great new creative team would be Dennis O'Neill and Neal Adams!

These two guys put Batman on the map in the 70s, and how great would it be to see them on Batman again? O'Neill is doing a few issues of the regular Batman title so maybe he'd be interested in doing ASBaR with Adams.

If not maybe DC could get Mike W. Barr and Alan Davis who had quite a memorable run on Detective Comics in the 80s.

Thoughts?

Peace,

Kyle

[JRM]

I was just thinking about who would take over All-Star Batman and Robin after Frank Miller and Jim Lee complete their run and it hit me that a great new creative team would be Dennis O'Neill and Neal Adams! These two guys put Batman on the map in the 70s, and how great would it be to see them on Batman again? O'Neill is doing a few issues of the regular Batman title so maybe he'd be interested in doing ASBaR with Adams. If not maybe DC could get Mike W. Barr and Alan Davis who had quite a memorable run on Detective Comics in the 80s. Thoughts? Peace, Kyle

Kyle Sing

Adams would be great to see again - However, he is an incredibly unreliable artist - Think Ms Mystic and the rest of his Continuity Comics line. A stand alone Graphic Novel makes more practical sense.

As for Barr and Davis - are they special enough and do the have an unique voice for these characters? I think that I would rather see them on a Ghost Detectives book staring Ralph and Sue.

Jim

[mego joe]

I would actually buy ASBandR for an O'Neill and Adams run. I wonder if Dick would still be off at college though...

[Kyle Sing]

I can't speak to Adams' reliability as an artist, but even if he and O'Neill took a pass I do think that Barr and Davis are special enough to be the voices of these characters.

I believe that Barr never quite got the recognition he deserved when he wrote Batman. I encourage readers to go back to his run and re-read it and you will see that Barr pretty much picked up where O'Neill and Adams left off and wrote a definitive Batman. Moreover, Davis clearly understands the characters as well and the dynamism of his art is a perfect match for the characters in a Aparo-esque kind of vein.

Best,

Kyle

[JRM]

I can't speak to Adams' reliability as an artist, but even if he and O'Neill took a pass I do think that Barr and Davis are special enough to be the voices of these characters. I believe that Barr never quite got the recognition he deserved when he wrote Batman. I encourage readers to go back to his run and re-read it and you will see that Barr pretty much picked up where O'Neill and Adams left off and wrote a definitive Batman. Moreover, Davis clearly understands the characters as well and the dynamism of his art is a perfect match for the characters in a Aparo-esque kind of vein. Best, Kyle

Kyle Sing

Don't disagree with your thoughts, but I don't think that there are enough out there that would agree enough to put down the extra cash. Davis created a fun and quirky, without being really campy, dynamic duo, while Barr is one heck of a mystery writer.

About Adams and Ms Mystic - It was so bad that it took 3 or 4 years to get the first 3 issues out. My cousin use to joke that it had a May publishing timeling - meaning that "It may come out sometime.

What about Oneil and Dennis Cowan? - they did great stuff with The Question.

Jim

[Augustine]

They would not be a draw and I doubt could continue to have All Star Batman be the way it is. They'd be a throwback.

I rather the series ended when Jim and Morrison is done.

[JRM]

They would not be a draw and I doubt could continue to have All Star Batman be the way it is. They'd be a throwback. I rather the series ended when Jim and Morrison is done.

Augustine

Don't disagree with this. Would be best to start over with a big Vol #2 on the cover. And then when a third team would be Vol #3. Or they could go for All Star Detective for other versions of Batman, or All-star Action, etc.

The idea of a non-continuity line is a sound one, but they need try to not tie one vision of a character to the line.

Jim

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They would not be a draw and I doubt could continue to have All Star Batman be the way it is. They'd be a throwback.

Augustine

And Miller and Lee retelling the origin for the umpteenth time, just with more T&A and violence is avant garde?

[JRM]

And Miller and Lee retelling the origin for the umpteenth time, just with more T&A and violence is avant garde?

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Hence the reason I only have the first 3 (give it a try) issues -

[Augustine]

And Miller and Lee retelling the origin for the umpteenth time, just with more T&A and violence is avant garde?

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No they'd be doing the best God damn Bat book on the market today that does not play by the regular bat book rules.

If I wanted more of the same I'd buy the monthly Bat issues.

[SageShinigami]

And Miller and Lee retelling the origin for the umpteenth time, just with more T&A and violence is avant garde?

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No, its garbage. But it sells.

Still. The title "All-Star Batman and Robin" is far too stained to me because of the sheer idiocy going on in the title right now to let the legends Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams come on to the book. Call it something else though, and I'm there. From what I know, their run was one of the few times Batman was neither:

A.) Campy and stupid

or

B.) Paranoid and all DKR-ish.

And that's the Batman I'd like to see more of.

[JRM]

No, its garbage. But it sells. Still. The title "All-Star Batman and Robin" is far too stained to me because of the sheer idiocy going on in the title right now to let the legends Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams come on to the book. Call it something else though, and I'm there. From what I know, their run was one of the few times Batman was neither: A.) Campy and stupid or B.) Paranoid and all DKR-ish. And that's the Batman I'd like to see more of.

SageShinigami

To me most of My Bat books fit this mid-ground mode. They go from the Oneil and Robbins through to Len, Garry and Marv then onto Moench (one of my favorites then through to Barr and onto the Grant and Wagner issues. It was when they went all dark and paranoid that I lost interest and gave up the character for about a 15 or so years. I really enjoy Dini but currently remain unsure of Morrison.

Jim

[Matches]

I believe that Barr never quite got the recognition he deserved when he wrote Batman. I encourage readers to go back to his run and re-read it and you will see that Barr pretty much picked up where O'Neill and Adams left off and wrote a definitive Batman.

Kyle Sing

Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. Barr wrote the annual where Batman deliberately caused several deaths, and the "Year Two" arc where he teams up with his parents' killer.

To me those two items are pretty much Exhibits A and B as to why he didn't get the character at all.