Spoilers Cover to Batman #685 (post Batman RIP)!!!!

[Adam Wednesdays]

This cover is obviously the most well constructed Rorschach test ever created: every fanboy/girl sees whatever he wants to see in it, and whatever he does see reveals much about him/her.

Keep Jason as Red Hood (sorry, I just like him as a bad guy too much). -J

J-Liv

Ditto. Even though I'm no Judd Winnick fan, I really liked The Red Hood. I thought he was a character with great potential who was then wasted on "Countdown" and Bruce Jones. (Here's a thought: go for broke and have The Red Hood lead The Outsiders. Since the whole point of the pre-Dixon Outsiders was that they were going to be a proactive force who hunted down threats preemptively (in theory anyway), why not have the team leader be the Bat-boy who seems most suited for that kind of work?) And I still don't get what the point of this whole "Red Robin" thing is.

[Wally West888]

I don't know what's going to happen because Nightwing and Robin were in Final Crisis #3 but maybe the switching of mantles might happen post FC and Bruce might be in FC as Batman.

Also I think it is Dick and Damien would be cool, and if Tim took another legacy like Nightwing or something.

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This cover is obviously the most well constructed Rorschach test ever created: every fanboy/girl sees whatever he wants to see in it, and whatever he does see reveals much about him/her.

Adam Wednesdays

How true!

Ditto. Even though I'm no Judd Winnick fan, I really liked The Red Hood. I thought he was a character with great potential who was then wasted on "Countdown" and Bruce Jones. (Here's a thought: go for broke and have The Red Hood lead The Outsiders. Since the whole point of the pre-Dixon Outsiders was that they were going to be a proactive force who hunted down threats preemptively (in theory anyway), why not have the team leader be the Bat-boy who seems most suited for that kind of work?) And I still don't get what the point of this whole "Red Robin" thing is.

The trouble with bringing Jason back as a villain is what do you DO with him? He can't be arrested because Jason Todd is dead and explaining why he isn't wouldn't be as absurd as they way he actually WAS brought back.

At the same time he knows too much and is too dangerous to be allowed to roam free (which makes Batman NOT making him his #1 priority ridiculous)

[Kiryu]

How true! The trouble with bringing Jason back as a villain is what do you DO with him? He can't be arrested because Jason Todd is dead and explaining why he isn't wouldn't be as absurd as they way he actually WAS brought back. At the same time he knows too much and is too dangerous to be allowed to roam free (which makes Batman NOT making him his #1 priority ridiculous)

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He was just arrested over in Robin. I'm hoping Fabian gets to show the fall-out of that scene later on.

[Wally West888]

It's Tim and Bruce. That cover is for the Gaimen issue which is being considered Pre-RIP. According to Tony Daniel.

Kiryu

Well that would make sense because it looks more like Bruce and Tim then anyone else.

[Adam Wednesdays]

The trouble with bringing Jason back as a villain is what do you DO with him? He can't be arrested because Jason Todd is dead and explaining why he isn't wouldn't be as absurd as they way he actually WAS brought back.

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I'm sure the Gotham police are so used to resurrections and crap like that it wouldn't even bother them

At the same time he knows too much and is too dangerous to be allowed to roam free (which makes Batman NOT making him his #1 priority ridiculous)

To an extent... but then again, since Jason seems to have no intention whatsoever, even as a villain, of outing Bruce (seeing as he sees himself as doing Bruce's job, but better), I could see why guys like the Joker and Two-Face would be higher on the list. Once Batman realized he'd have to put all of his time into Jason to bring him down, leaving every super-schmuck in Gotham to run willy-nilly while he chased down his wayward foster child.

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I'm sure the Gotham police are so used to resurrections and crap like that it wouldn't even bother them

Adam Wednesdays

But it would draw a lot of odd attention to Bruce Wayne. "Hi Mr Wayne, your adopted son is alive again, and murdering people"

To an extent... but then again, since Jason seems to have no intention whatsoever, even as a villain, of outing Bruce (seeing as he sees himself as doing Bruce's job, but better), I could see why guys like the Joker and Two-Face would be higher on the list. Once Batman realized he'd have to put all of his time into Jason to bring him down, leaving every super-schmuck in Gotham to run willy-nilly while he chased down his wayward foster child.

But that just highlights the problem with Jason. Either he's committed to destroying Batman, as he was pre Infinite Crisis, in which case he's just desperately ineffcient, or he isn't, in which case what purpose does he serve. Anything he does which registers on the plot radar is another reason for Batman to hunt him down, anything he does which doesn't proves he has no real use as a character.

Oh, and as an aside, not foster child, Jason is legally his son.

[Adam Wednesdays]

To go with my Rorschach test theory... how many people look at that picture, and what they see is how they would like things to be post-RIP?

But that just highlights the problem with Jason. Either he's committed to destroying Batman, as he was pre Infinite Crisis, in which case he's just desperately ineffcient, or he isn't, in which case what purpose does he serve. Anything he does which registers on the plot radar is another reason for Batman to hunt him down, anything he does which doesn't proves he has no real use as a character.

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I just thought when he came back it had potential. At this point the ship has probably sailed, I'm just disappointed they couldn't take what was a decently executed return for a character (right up until we learned how he was resurrected, anyway... guh) and run with it. But if making him "Red Robin" is the best they can do... maybe it's time for Bruce to bust out the crowbar and put Jason out of his misery.

[Yossarian]

If it is Jason and Damien, which I seriously doubt, then hopefully they're like an anti Batman and Robin, in opposition to Dick and Tim.

Dick Grayson is the only choice to take over as Batman, even if he doesn't really want to. And his relationship with Tim is always great to read, so more of them together would only be good.

If it's Dick and Damien, it doesn't make sense. Damien hasn't even appeared in R.I.P has he? And Dick doesn't even like him (based on Return of Ra's Al Ghul), so why would he take him on as Robin?

To be honest, I still just think it's Bruce and Tim.

[momoney433*]

Changing Batman would be like killing Superman, it would never happen and if it did, it could either be amazing or horrible. It depends on whos writing and who he is changed to.