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4PointOh May 18th, 2008 08:14 PM

[Film] Marvel's universal approach makes it a world apart from DC
 
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...068b54a6876a08

Kiryu May 18th, 2008 09:50 PM

To be fair, Marvel has a huge advantage over DC when it comes to this. They have an in-house studio now, which lets them keep control over the film versions of the characters and do what they please with them. They're also(so far) only putting out Superhero flicks. They can also license out to other studios for distribution while retaining ownership of the characters, letting them spread it out across multiple distributing studios.

WB on the other hand can't throw out 3-4 $150million+ superhero flicks every year. Their film division has to put forth a more varied amount of material then Marvel making it much harder to set up a universe like that in a short amount of time without making a team movie(and from what I heard about JLA when it was in the works, it was going to be bad, real bad).

I'll wait to see how Hulk and Iron Man 2 are before I start caring about a shared universe. From the trouble between Norton and Marvel over the Hulk's direction he may not come back for a sequel, making a Tony Stark cameo in Hulk a bit pointless.

I do think WB could do a bit more with the DC properties it owns, I dug Superman Returns a lot but they haven't been able to make a flick as good as the 89 Batman and even Batman Returns yet.

ADDED: A new reporter in Superman Returns mentions a Superman sighting in Gotham City.

Argent May 19th, 2008 01:38 AM

The difference is that DC is owned by a Media conglomerate instead of the other way around. And what is really sad is that it would seem that the TW Exec in charge of developing DC properties is a true idiot.

ADGood May 19th, 2008 02:00 AM

I love the fact that all it takes is one ten-second cameo by Sam Jackson, and, "Marvel wins! They have a universe!" It was a fun extra. And it'll be great if it pans out into something. But, personally, I'm just as content to wait until something actually happens before drawing definitive conclusions about whether it was a success.

married guy May 19th, 2008 02:44 AM

There's no contest when it comes to superhero films. Marvel kick DC's arse.

Both in quality AND quantity.

Cloud101 May 19th, 2008 03:07 AM

That's probably true, but DC still has the #! super-hero movie and that's Batman Begins. Closely followed by Spidey 2. I think Dark Knight will surpass both of these. Even Iron Man.

TJLamb0518 May 19th, 2008 08:06 AM

Who really cares? Pay your 10.00 plus, go see the movie and enjoy THAT experience (or don't). IF it ties into a bigger tapestry, ok. If not, enjoy the film you're watching (or don't).

Mill4rd May 19th, 2008 08:12 AM

He has a huge Marvel Bias.

married guy May 19th, 2008 08:22 AM

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see DC start to make inroads when it comes to films, but I think with Marvel's set-up right now DC can't compete when it comes to creating a cohesive superhero universe on film.

Avi Arad really did a great job getting the ball rolling.

greenflameuk May 19th, 2008 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ADGood (Post 1225814)
I love the fact that all it takes is one ten-second cameo by Sam Jackson, and, "Marvel wins! They have a universe!" It was a fun extra. And it'll be great if it pans out into something. But, personally, I'm just as content to wait until something actually happens before drawing definitive conclusions about whether it was a success.

Yeah i see alot of people who seem to think that this whole shared universe thing is somehow part of Iron Man's success. I mean does anyone who doesn't read comics really care that Nick Fury showed up in a couple second clip that wasn't even in the main part of the movie but buried away at the end of the credits?.

MattDiCarlo May 19th, 2008 10:51 AM

The weird thing is that all of the SHIELD references in Iron Man seem sort of stilted and forced.

If people left without seeing the stinger, then they might wonder "Why was this thing tacked on?"

It felt sort of hokey to me. And I LOVE shared universes. I just didn't think the execution was great. Especially compared to the rest of the movie.

TJLamb0518 May 19th, 2008 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MattDiCarlo (Post 1226149)
The weird thing is that all of the SHIELD references in Iron Man seem sort of stilted and forced.

If people left without seeing the stinger, then they might wonder "Why was this thing tacked on?"

It felt sort of hokey to me. And I LOVE shared universes. I just didn't think the execution was great. Especially compared to the rest of the movie.

I felt it was purely for the fans. If you sat through the entire movie, up until the credits....you got a complete movie, soup to nuts. If you stayed past the credits, you got an additional scene that took nothing away from the film and was a little something something for the fans.

manwithnoname May 19th, 2008 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADGood (Post 1225814)
I love the fact that all it takes is one ten-second cameo by Sam Jackson, and, "Marvel wins! They have a universe!" It was a fun extra. And it'll be great if it pans out into something. But, personally, I'm just as content to wait until something actually happens before drawing definitive conclusions about whether it was a success.

Same here.

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Originally Posted by TJLamb0518 (Post 1225996)
Who really cares? Pay your 10.00 plus, go see the movie and enjoy THAT experience (or don't). IF it ties into a bigger tapestry, ok. If not, enjoy the film you're watching (or don't).

Very true.

Lion Blade May 19th, 2008 03:14 PM

I remember there being several threads about this kind of topic before everything went under, so I will just cut to the chase and say this, "Why don't all the members of the forum that are also writers come together and form a DC Movie Scriptwriter Brigade?" And yes, I'm being serious about this. Even though I'm leaning more toward the gaming industry (I'm a Full Sail graduate from Game Design program), I studied scriptwriting back in UCF and I wouldn't mind writing scripts for DC superhero movies (not just scripts for sequels to Superman Returns, but also scripts for Teen Titans and Anima). Furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that some forum members that are also writers (regardless of their level of experience) may be interested in doing scripts for DC superhero movies. So with all of that in mind, why don't the writer members of this forum form a DC Movie Scriptwriter Brigade? I'll add more to my comments once I hear your thoughts on this idea, but this kind of idea is better than criticizing WB as it could be a solution to some problems.

Devlyn16 May 19th, 2008 03:16 PM

A shared univerese doesn't affect the average movie going audience until the heroes share significant screen time.

If the average movie goer cared about shared universes we would referr to them as "Comic Book readers"

mpjedi2 May 19th, 2008 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ADGood (Post 1225814)
I love the fact that all it takes is one ten-second cameo by Sam Jackson, and, "Marvel wins! They have a universe!" It was a fun extra. And it'll be great if it pans out into something. But, personally, I'm just as content to wait until something actually happens before drawing definitive conclusions about whether it was a success.

Exactly.

I'd also like to point out that, in many ways, the most direct way to make a superhero work on film is to focus on THAT hero, and don't worry about how he/she ties into the "tapestry" of the shared comic book universe.

Jon Favreau and his team created a very compelling universe....for Iron Man. A high-tech world that's easy to fit SHIELD, AIM, even MODOK into...but now word's come down from Corporate that Thor, a Norse frellin' God, must be introduced in Iron Man 2.

And I still think that Downey, being only contracted for 2 movies (See the EW article:http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20198228_2,00.html), is gonna be a bit expensive when it comes time to do The Avengers.

Plus, they've gotta write these other movies, and find people to direct them who understand the material....

Don't count your chickens, as they say.


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